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  1. #1
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    Default Queen identification by coloring?

    Can anyone tell what breed queen this is just by the coloring? I got her in a cut out (actually a smoke out) and the bees are really really calm bees.

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    Try it. What could happen?

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    I call those dark colored bees German. Here in SF, those darker bees are common in cutouts. I had a queen that looked exactly like that in a colony I removed from a PGE electrical box. One of the best colonies I've ever had. A little defensive but good honey producers.
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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    My sincere hope is that they're Russian bees. They're dark, but very calm.
    Try it. What could happen?

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    I can't answer your question, but she is a BEAUTY!!! All the queens I get down here are typically orange/bronze/gold...never seen one that dark! I picked her out in the pics before I even enlarged! Awesome photos! I hope she rocks your beehive world!

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    Not dark enough to call a Russian. I'd say Carniolan.


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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    I would say it's Italian/Carniolan cross.

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    I agree, she is an Italian-20%/Carniolan-80% mixed. I have one virgin look exactly
    like the one you have. She's from an Italian grand mother queen and her mom is a darker Carniolan.
    She's darker in color now compare to first hatch 4 days ago.

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    dup

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    I'd say she's a "dark honey bee queen". Color doesn't necessarily denote genetic origins -- not after more than 100 years of crossing and back-crossing, etc.
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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    Yes, they are all mutt to me--black, yellow/golden, brown.
    But if we don't use color to identify then how can we tell the difference between them?
    Not everyone has access to a genetic testing lab, you know. Certainly we don't know
    for sure until the DNA testing is done. ie 80% of this, 10% of this, etc. In the mean time
    we can only guess based on our prior experiences to id by its appearance.

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    Sure, you can use the single trait of "color of exoskeleton" for convenience of ID, but it would only be a convenience, and might have very little true accuracy in fact.
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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    Quote Originally Posted by beepro View Post
    Certainly we don't know
    for sure until the DNA testing is done. ie 80% of this, 10% of this, etc.
    Beepro. That makes no sense. 80% of what exactly?

    And as Joseph said, colour is a poor indicator.
    Yellow is dominant over black and yellow body color is controlled by 3 major genes and a number of modifiers.

    Google Jerzy WOYKE if you are interested in finding out more.

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    Default Re: Queen identification by coloring?

    Carni or carni-mix; she is a beuty though
    As for me, all I know is that I know nothing...
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