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  1. #101
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    I would like to learn more about Michael's method of expanding your nuc's. I also think the Ga. Producers would have trouble finding mated northern queens as they seem to sale most of the packages early.

  2. #102
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    ...Knowing what the production of a few of the larger producers in GA I can surmise that GA's output alone is around 200 K. Add in Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and California production and I have no reason to doubt that 3/4 of a million isn't accurate.
    Uhhh, you can take Alabama out of the package production equation. I hear Ed Norman might have shaken a handful of packages last year, and maybe Janet Parker at Bostic Hills Farms did too, but Alabama's package production is a paltry anemic lethargic ghost of what it was in the 1970's. I'm sure Ted Kretschmann could give us all a history lesson on this point.
    "...the most populous colonies ...are provided by queens ...in the year following their birth." Brother Adam

  3. #103
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Well overwintering Nucs is much harder than normal colonies.. Just a trick I have not learned yet. We have some really bad weather for nucs here. cold and wet. I did better farther north..... and I can tell you so far, its not been worth the effort Not to say raising nucs is bad, but for the time and effort not profitable so far. All but one of teh nucs I overwintered are so far behind right now I could forget the existed. I just requeened and added bees to them. while March packages just got supers (they were on drawn comb)

    Fastcher, your way off on the value of hauling and selling packages. This year it required at least 2 phone calls with EACH customer, and probably close to 20 minutes each just informing them of whats going on. Add Gas, hotels and just wasted time, and its not nearly as profitable as my day Job..... but not the point. Profit is higher on Nucs than packages..... at least at teh rates I charge

  4. #104
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Quote Originally Posted by ga.beeman View Post
    I disagree with the statement about nucs being thrown in a box And sold. I had to call the customer and tell some of them that I wouldnt have their nuc and that suxs. But I grow them out myself and take pride in my nucs. I watch them grow out and I know what they are getting. Some of us take pride in our bees
    Not intended for all by any means. but if some of the post are followed your also part of the problem.... they claim Local Nucs are the only solution..... I know most of the southern guys do it right... but the Majority sell first season nucs, not overwintered.

  5. #105
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    I checked 3 nucs for a customer just the other day and it reaffirmed what I have stated earlier in the post. He paid 138.00 each for them, Russian hybrids from a seller in Vermont. All three were 3 frames drawn and two of foundation. There was maybe 2 lbs of bees, not enough to cover three frames of brood. I found the cell cups in all three so the breeder didn't even see fit to remove those before selling the nucs and they were certainly not over wintered, though the buyer did not indicate that he had been told that they were.

    This customer bought a package from me last year and 4 nucs from this same source. The package is the only one that is still alive. He bought three packages from me and 3 nucs this year from this other guy. We will see how they do this season.
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

  6. #106
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Well there are dishonest people in all walks. I don't doubt what you say...

    especially if his initials are RS from S C Apiaries

  7. #107
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    especially if his initials are RS from S C Apiaries
    You are correct. I haven't ever dealt with them so I cant really comment on that, but from what I saw.......
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

  8. #108
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    I wish you guys would not speak in shorthand about beekeepers we should beware. It took me all of 5 minutes to google up who you were talking about.

    But I've made a note not to do business with that person.

  9. #109
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Did you read the ABF article on same beekeeper?

  10. #110
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Did you read the ABF article on same beekeeper?
    Not yet. Can you summarize?

  11. #111
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Our local association got packages from a GA supplier in late April. There have been more queen problems than ever. There have always been some problems, but this year is much worse. Suppose it is the cold weather.

  12. #112
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    You are correct. I haven't ever dealt with them so I cant really comment on that, but from what I saw.......

    You should consider posting this in the Consumer Report forum so that others can benefit from your knowledge.
    Horseshoe Point Honey -- http://localvahoney.com/

  13. #113
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Summarize? Lies, distortions, bogus bologna.

  14. #114
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    I will say that my packages came in a week late from Drew apiaries 2013, but most of my buddies got cancelled from the other bee places in south Georgia. Great hives and queens. 10 hives made 200lbs each. My commercial buddy orders queens (100s) from them and he made approx. 130lbs each. Not too bad if you ask me. Just ordered 100 3s and happy I got April. That honey paid for my bees and then some.

  15. #115
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    Bee Guy isnt H and R apiaries right in your town?
    http://www.peekskillnurseries.com
    Specialists in Ground Cover plants since 1937

  16. #116
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    Default Re: quality of 2013 package queens from GA/AL?

    I get more than 3# of bees in every package and it more like 3 1/2 -4 lbs in the packages. Never gotten heavy packages for h&R. I like the drew queens better too. I've had better honey production every
    season.

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