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  1. #41
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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    ... large scale guy... " that idiot had AFB in every hive we tested"..
    VERY alarming -professional has AFB in every hive!????? Very unprofessional and compromise the whole industry! Couple of things:
    - neonics have a chronic effect, it kills slowly. It is possible, that something (including neonics) made bees weak and than they got AFB
    = Inspector would not detect death from neonics because they are not told to do so. When they will be instructed - may be they will do it...
    Серёжа, Sergey

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    No, you do what France does - second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world - after the USA.
    If you visit the French countrysides you will not see vast industrial-farming monocultures stretching the horizon. You will see tens of thousands of relatively small-scale family farms on which millions of people earn a good living and have a great lifestyle, producing the finest food in the world (according to the Cordon Bleu chefs of the world). The French have fought to preserve small-scale, family-run, mixed farming. Many French farmers will have a hundred acres of corn, a hundred acres of sunflowers or canola, a fruit orchard business, some cows, chickens, horses. The landscape is rich and diverse; the rivers are full of trout (I can vouch for that) there are vineyards all over the place. But the French 'work to live' unlike us poor Anglo Saxons, who only 'live to work'.

    Here is a slideshow of my visit to the Dordogne a couple of years back. If you enjoy good food, local wines, fabulous landscapes and lots of wildlife, this is a great place for a vacation. Check it out:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/borderg...7620954251887/

    I visited Riberac in the Dordogne two years ago - a small town of maybe 3,000 people. The market, as in every small town made you wish you had been born a Frenchman. In the central square, they do not have a giant Walmart or Costo - they have: 100 kinds of local cheeses produced on 100 different farms; a honey stall selling an astonishing range of wild-flower honeys: lavender, forest flowers, chestnut, heather, clover etc. I will post something on the general Forum if the Moderator will allow. it might give you all a nice insight into life in 'La Belle France'. Here's a taster, this woman had a stall selling about 6 kinds of honey from her own bees, none of it was from cultivated crops - apart from the Lavender. She also sold Mead which was superb - and many glasses were hoisted around the fire in the evenings:


    Miel de Foret - Forest Flower Honey - Riberac Market - Dordogne, France


    Miel de Castanea: Sweet Chestnut Honey - there are huge areas of chestnut forest in France


    Honey Wine: Mead or 'Hydromel' as the French Call it.


    Hand-made 'Pain de Campagne' - Village Bread - and 'Florentines' at Riberac Market, Dordogne

    We later sat in a green meadow by the river and watched the trout and dragonflies while the cows grazed nearby.
    To my amazement, the meadow was full of wild Bee Orchids like the one below. I have never, ever seen a Bee Orchid in the UK in my entire life, they have been sprayed out of existence over here - but the French like their pastures unsprayed and they prefer Bee Orchids to 0.0001% more on the balance sheet. Similarly, dragonflies and damselfliesm which were common in my childhood in England, are now pretty rare; in most arable crop areas they are extinct.


    Bee Orchid in a French Cow Pasture: the flower has evolved to look like a female bumblebee (to a male anyway)

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by borderbeeman View Post
    No, you do what France does - second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world - after the USA.
    http://dc.the-netherlands.org/news/2...-after-us.html

    Not all agree with this statement.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ies_by_imports

    ...but then there is the matter of how much they import which actually exceeds the amount that they export.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    Rapeseed/ canola 1.5 million tonnes exported

    PRODUCTION AND FARMING

    * France is the EU's largest farm producer with a 19 percent share of EU agricultural output in 2011, followed by Germany (13 pct), Italy (12 pct) and Spain (11 pct).

    * Crops make up for more than half of farm output as opposed to Germany, where livestock predominates.

    * France is one of the world's top five producers of wheat, sugar beet and rapeseed.

    * It is also a major European meat producer, number one in beef and poultry, third in sheep and fourth in pork output.

    * A little over one million people are involved in agriculture and the country totaled 514,800 farms in 2010, down 26 percent on 2000.

    * France's farm sector employs 2.6 percent of the working population, down from 16 percent in 1962, the year when the European Union's farm policy was launched.

    * The average size of French farms has grown over the past years to reach 55 hectares in 2010, three times less than in the U.S. (155 hectares) but 92 times more than China (0.6 hectare).

    * France's total farmland was at 29 million hectares in 2010 (about 80 million acres.)

    The point is - French farmes are doing just fine and the banning of neonics has had no measureable negative
    effect on yields of sunflowers, wheat, canola or maize.

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    ...but then there is the matter of how much they import which actually exceeds the amount that they export.
    Details, details!
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    I do not understand, what is the problem with import? It seems to me that USA is a largest importer: everything in Target made in China, fruits in supermarket - Mexico, Argentina etc. Somebody at the Forum stated that US also imported something like half needed honey..

    The point regarding French was that its agriculture is doing remarkably well after 10 years of banning neonics... it is speaking for itself.
    Серёжа, Sergey

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    Default Re: Just how many american bee colonies have been killed by neonics?

    Quote Originally Posted by cerezha View Post
    I do not understand, what is the problem with import? It seems to me that USA is a largest importer: everything in Target made in China, fruits in supermarket - Mexico, Argentina etc. Somebody at the Forum stated that US also imported something like half needed honey..

    The point regarding French was that its agriculture is doing remarkably well after 10 years of banning neonics... it is speaking for itself.
    Yep grow organic 10 out of 10 bees prefer organic.
    Im really not that serious

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