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    Default Re: Going Treatment Free - step 1

    Important historical beekeeping quotes....
    ‘There’s no queen to compare with a Russian queen.’ Czar Nicholas II (1894 – 1917)
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Just the honey crop alone, 457 lbs per hive, ought to be able to finance a bit of labour to raise some queens?

    I decided to capitalize on the depressed real estate market instead. Once I get the time to get them finished and sold. Then my new honey house up and running. Then I'll take on another venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    Important historical beekeeping quotes....
    ‘There’s no queen to compare with a Russian queen.’ Czar Nicholas II (1894 – 1917)
    Ha Ha that's pretty funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by WLC View Post
    Oltimer:

    Say the beeleepers name, especially if he's gone.

    Superstiiciton you know.
    Well yes he is gone, in fact nearly everybody who got me started is gone.
    Not too keen to name names not all stories I've ever told have been totally complementary. However if there's any Kiwis out there who may remember back this far, the two main guys who got me started were Jasper Bray and Bill Haines. Jasper in particular being a remarkable beekeeper I really lucked out getting a job with him. Could read a hive like a book and was fastidious about his beekeeping, also demanded very high standards. We had close to 4,000 hives, and with those were consistently able to produce a bigger total crop than another outfit with 14,000 hives.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Going Treatment Free - step 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Ives View Post
    Processed sugar is a CHEMICAL. So he is NOT chemical free.
    Honey, nectar and pollen are all made up of chemicals as well. Chemical is not an evil word nor inherently bad.
    Dan Hayden 4 Years. 9 hives. Tx Free. USDA Zone 5b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Ives View Post
    Around Feb 20th prolific queens drop all the way down.
    That is very interesting. I had noticed that some queens moved down and some didn't.

    This year, there are two hives that stick out in my mind, one with a year old queen that didn't move down, yet still very prolific. Another hive with my only marked queen who I know is three years old, she moved down and is doing well, but not stellar. Many of the yearling and prolific hives moved down in my outyards. Some didn't and are not very prolific. I am interested to watch for this in the future.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    Important historical beekeeping quotes....
    "The Hive and the Honeybee was much better in the original Klingon"
    -Any Klingon you might ask on the street
    The perils of benefactors; The blessings of parasites; Blindness blindness and sight -Joni Mitchell 'Shadows and Light'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon Parker View Post
    That is very interesting. I had noticed that some queens moved down and some didn't.

    This year, there are two hives that stick out in my mind, one with a year old queen that didn't move down, yet still very prolific. Another hive with my only marked queen who I know is three years old, she moved down and is doing well, but not stellar. Many of the yearling and prolific hives moved down in my outyards. Some didn't and are not very prolific. I am interested to watch for this in the future.

    The below average hives with younger queens are the ones I split first and as early as possible. The stronger boomers are the hives producing drones first. So after a couple years, your genetically increasing performance. My out yards are unrelated to the yards close. By moving splits around to get the queens mated then move to a unrelated yard helps reduce on inbreeding or create new yards with various crosses.

    Hives that didn't build up early and have lower drone population. Will also have lower mite counts, since mites need drone cells to be most prolific. Then by splitting them you'll break the mite cycle (early).

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    Ok...one more memorable Russian bee quote....and I'm done.
    'The Russian worker is second to none!' Joseph Stalin
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    "We breed only the finest Italian virgins"
    Benito Mussolini
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    "In former Soviet Russia, bees keep you." - Vladimir Putin
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
    11 Years Treatment-Free, ~25 Colony Baseline

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    Workers of the world rise up! Your queen is but an egg laying machine. She is naught without you! – Karl Marx

    I'm sorry...couldn't resist one more.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    " Honey Bees do a finite number of task, beekeepers do a infinite number of things to their bees. The better you understand the finite tasks bees do, the more infinite your beekeeping shall become" - Tim Ives

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    " Lose your bees to the trees along with your money. Keep your bees out of the tree's you gain honey"- Tim Ives

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    "Hint: If you have Honey Bees you get honey ! If you have honey you get Honey Bees ! "- Tim Ives

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    My never-ending favorite: " Junk food = junk bees" - Tim Ives

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    "Our bees come from a long line of virgins."
    Pope Thelytoky II
    The perils of benefactors; The blessings of parasites; Blindness blindness and sight -Joni Mitchell 'Shadows and Light'

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    Default Re: Going Treatment Free - step 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Ives View Post
    My never-ending favorite: " Junk food = junk bees" - Tim Ives
    "To bee by ladder I've never tried. I guess my name is not Big Tim Ives."---Gino45

    "My bees like their supers deep, but 5 is the most they could ever keep."---Gino45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gino45 View Post
    "My bees like their supers deep, but 5 is the most they could ever keep."---Gino45
    Or...
    Stack those supers into the air
    Small hive beetles will soon be there
    Anonymous

    In the same vein...
    Build yourself a tower hive
    Watch those beetles start to thrive.
    Anonymous
    Last edited by beemandan; 06-02-2013 at 05:03 AM.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    Default Re: Going Treatment Free - step 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Gino45 View Post
    "To bee by ladder I've never tried. I guess my name is not Big Tim Ives."---Gino45

    "My bees like their supers deep, but 5 is the most they could ever keep."---Gino45


    "If 5 deep is all they'll keep, then winter time shouldn't let them sleep"- Tim Ives

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    Default Re: Going Treatment Free - step 1

    Oh, brother!

    Tim:

    I just put on a 3rd deep on one of my newly installed hives, even though the second deep isn't completely drawn out.

    My own feeling is that they'll draw out new frames vertically before they'll do so horizontally.

    So, the second and third deeps won't be completely drawn, but the bees will expand the broodnest vertically as the side frames of the lower deeps fills with pollen and nectar.

    Am I wrong? Is this a correct 'limitless brood' nest assumption?

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