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    Default American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Hello beesource mermbers, im a newbie from Prince George Va. I imported a Nuc from Flordia and unfortunatley it had a foulbrood outbreak and the state apiarist came to visit today and had me destroy the colony. Im really bummed out about it but maybe ill be able to find bees next year and try again

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    That sucks did they ship it to you or did you get a chance to inspect it prior? If they shipped it I would ask for a refund

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Either way that isn't right. Did it have a health certificate?

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Refund and replacement due. Who did you get it from?
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    No it was closed up with plastic wrap when i picked it up i was in FL for work and was in a hurrry so i didnt open it

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    How did you transport it? In the trunk of your car? Was it dead when you got it home?
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    I transpored it in the cab of my truck, the hive has a screen bottom and had plent of air flow, it was a 10 hr ride though

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    It was purchased from Hives and More in Jacksonville FL. I cant get in touch with them, my state inspector says he'll be reporting this incident.

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Quote Originally Posted by Rcard86 View Post
    It was purchased from Hives and More in Jacksonville FL.
    How fitting.
    Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Check with your local inspector and find out who sells nucs in your area. Maybe he can recommend a local reputable beekeeper who can hook you up with a nuc.
    To everything there is a season....

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    This is a true story that was told to me last night. The family was dirt poor. she had built her bees up to the point that she was starting to show a profit. The state inspector had just retard, and a young inspector replaced him. On the first inspection from this young man who was straight out of college, he thought he was seeing American foulbrood in her hives. He did the tooth pick test, and made her burn all of her bees,and equipment. She was smart enough that she sent samples off to Auburn University. She didn't have foulbrood, and no bees, or equipment.

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Quote Originally Posted by Rcard86 View Post
    It was purchased from Hives and More in Jacksonville FL. I cant get in touch with them
    Here is their website, and this link is the "Customer Testimonials" page:

    http://www.hivesandmore.com/testimonials

    Note the phone number for "24/7 Customer Service", (555) 555-0123. Even without calling it, it is obviously fake! All 555 area code numbers are reserved for phone company use!

    It is possible that Hives and More used a pre-made website template and didn't change the ad/number shown, but that example is repeated on other pages also. It look like they spent about as much time preparing their website as they did ensuring they were selling healthy bees.

    Graham
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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Um, not so fast.

    I'm always a bit leery when the claims start flying without an opportunity for the supplier to state his side of the story, or before he has had an opportunity to set things right.

    I've taken the liberty of sending the company a link to this thread, which might need to be in Consumer Reports.

    Hives and More.com
    1145 Sheffield Rd
    St Johns, FL 32259
    904 586 8687 / 866 399 0347


    We're about 3 miles south of the Julington Creek Bridge just off State Rd 13. Your'e more than welcome to stop by to see us but please call first to make an appointment.
    Nobody ruins my day without my permission, and I refuse to grant it...

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Quote Originally Posted by Rcard86 View Post
    Hello beesource mermbers, im a newbie from Prince George Va. I imported a Nuc from Flordia and unfortunatley it had a foulbrood outbreak and the state apiarist came to visit today and had me destroy the colony. Im really bummed out about it but maybe ill be able to find bees next year and try again
    Hi, I spoke with you yesterday and today from HivesandMore about the bee issue. When I asked you the following questions. Did you notice any nasty smells during the inspections, what tests he performed. Your response was you did not notice any nasty smells, you stated he used a tooth pick and is came out as brown lump. I ask if you noticed if is was stringy like chew gum being stretch. You said no. I asked which foul brood did your inspector said it was. You stated he did not state which foul brood. You also said it would take five days for him to get his test results back. I asked if he did a holst milk test. You said no. We offered to refund your money when you send us a letter from your bee inspector, stating he order you to destroy the bees. You said he was going to call our state inspectors, we have not heard from our bee inspector. I did however, after speaking to you. I called and requested our inspector to come to very the claims made against us. We are inspected yearly and before you pick up the bee to transport 12 hours, I confirmed there was a queen and it was a healthy hive before the hive was sealed up for you. I did not see or smell any signs of either type of foul brood.

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    wassmerk,
    There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I'm wondering if this wasn't a case of the brood getting cooked while in transport. Dead brood, not AFB.

    Can you explain how you prepare a nuc for beekeeper transport? Rcard86 described the nuc being shrink wrapped. How is tghe shrink wrap used. What is the nuc box like?
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    We use strips of plasticell to cover up the entrance of the hive and 4 staples to hold it in place. It wrap around the base covering the two inch plasticell over entrance. It was wrap around the center of hive from top to bottom to hold the hive cover in place. The shrink wraps only 4" wide. The hive was a ten frame hive with telescoping hive cover and screen bottom board. We did not shrink wrap the entire hive. We also do nuc the same if they are being transport long distance. I was not present at time he pick up his bees. If he had placed them on the seat instead the bed truck that could cause the screen bottom board to have a ventilation problem.
    Last edited by wassmerk; 04-27-2013 at 03:32 PM.

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Also, all our nuc box have screen bottom boards.

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Do you think that during a ten hour drive, on the seat of someones vehicle, the brood might overheat?
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Yes, it could if seat is contour which could block the air flow. I do not know if he stop for a long period of time during his travel. I do not know if with the window up or down, or a/c not.
    Last edited by wassmerk; 04-27-2013 at 03:48 PM.

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Quote Originally Posted by wassmerk View Post
    I did however, after speaking to you. I called and requested our inspector to come to very the claims made against us.
    Did you get the inspector out, test done? Curious to know your side/outcome of these tests. Thanks

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    Default Re: American Foulbrood outbreak in my 2 day old hive

    Inspectors don't usually check each and every hive or nuc. So having a State Apiary Inspector look into ones' hives is only so good. The own/producer has to know what to look for and how to identify disease. Only the producer will be looking at each and every frame going into a nuc or hive. The buyer aught to do an inspection themselves when possible. Especially when transporting to a location far away from the producer. It's not likely that our OPer is going to take the hive back to FL and demand a refund, if he still had the hive. Which I don't think he does.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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