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    Default Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    So after reading everything I could find on this forum, the New Zealand study PDF that someone posted and numerous private messages I decided, YES! This is the preservation process for me!

    I built a tank that is designed to hold a deep or two westerns, bought 300 lbs of wax, etc, etc.

    Today I fired it up, got it full of 280f wax and plopped my first deep hive box in!

    It boiled over.

    It boiled over and did not stop boiling over all **** DAY!

    I had at least fifty pounds of wax on the ground. I will reclaim it, I am pretty good at that kind of thing.

    So finally to my question, does anyone know of an anti foaming agent or some such I can use?

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    turn your temperature down. it doesn't have to be boiling to melt.
    "Any fool can learn, the trick is to understand - Einstein"

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Papa Bear, do you use this process? Everything I have found indicates a minimum temp of 280f. Just curious if you have good results at lower temps.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    I'd love to see photos one you get it set up and running.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Like brewing beer, use a large enough brew pot to allow for foaming. You want plenty of wiggle room.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Lucky you! Hot wax is a bomb just waiting for some *** to stick some water into it. You just looked in to a hellish pit, 280 degree wax will take meat off of an Ox, all the way to the bone. I see in this Forum all the time where folk dip their wooden ware into it, Crazy. There is a modern invention that is far more durable and safer, PAINT.
    Julysun elevation 23 feet. 4 Hives, 2 years.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Barry, I gave four inches of headspace over the height of two westerns precisely because of my experience with beer.

    Julysun, "hellish" is kind of hyperbole perhaps? I know people do this and get much better life from wooden ware than paint alone.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Steves, Hellish is exactly correct for a boil over burn. It could easily be blindness . I have two waxed bottom boards that are one year old and the exposed parts have exposed wood grain, he painted boxes on them are not showing same and, I can easily repaint with bees in the boxes. Not so re-waxing. Also, I am prejudiced as I like colorful hives!
    Julysun elevation 23 feet. 4 Hives, 2 years.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Julysun,

    I think many folks agree on the longevity of wax/rosin vs. paint. If you think different that's fine. Continue with your methods, I guess I'm Crazy.

    Bryan

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Quote Originally Posted by Steves1967 View Post
    Barry, I gave four inches of headspace over the height of two westerns precisely because of my experience with beer.
    4" doesn't seem like very much. I'd want 12" at least.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Barry, do you have experience with waxing beehive parts that leads you to say this?

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    No, just saying what I would do if I were to build such a tank. Anything that ends up boiling needs head space. Add to that whatever it is you put in the boiling substance, you get reactions that are not always predictable.
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    So after four hours of tank operation today I figured out that 250 to 260 f gives much less frothing.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    In my experience 250 F works fine. Hotter boils over. 230 F is about minimum and takes a lot more time cooking to get it saturated. I shoot for somewhere in that range.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Yeah, less hell, more purgatory

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    This process works great, my climate is so wet and dank that paint does not hold up long at all. I am seeing condensation from some swarms I caught over the last couple days just bead up and run down the inside of the brood chamber and out the entrance in big drops. If I build another it will be four inches larger in each dimension of a deep including cleats for handholds and 18-20 inches deep. I made mine minimally small so I could purchase the minimum of wax to fill it. Now I know.

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    Default Re: Ruminations on a wax boil tank

    Yes I did.

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