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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    What an ironic advertisement posted at the top of this thread.

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Just think how much food we eat with high fructose corn syrup in it. Kind of scary isn't. The next generation will be a bunch of babbling idiots that wont be able to find there way home. Maybe this is what they want in Washington. Sorry I do not want to get into politics.

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Fasinating study, recreated our experiances in scientific setting.
    Larry Pender,Jubilee HoneyBee Company,Camarillo, CA

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    This study was extensively discussed on all the major bee forums and has the reputation of being one of the worst studies ever done. If you read the actual study you will see that it does not support the claims it makes.

    Many beekeepers here and on other forums pointed out the numerous flaws. For a thorough review, see randy Oliver's comments at www.scientificbeekeeping.com.

    Reading the actual study made me even more uncomfortable accepting third part reports as truth on any subject than I already was.

    Ramona

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    where on randy's site would i find info?
    Larry Pender,Jubilee HoneyBee Company,Camarillo, CA

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Just finished reading Randy Oliver's commentery on the study and would say this kind of leads us back to ground zero. Would love to see a debate between both parties. That would be an open debate with facts and not egos so the truth will begin to come into full light.

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Quote Originally Posted by beemilk View Post
    What an ironic advertisement posted at the top of this thread.
    Not ironic at all, it's intentional. Ad agencies' software scans the website content and display ads that have a similar theme.

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Quote Originally Posted by LSPender View Post
    where on randy's site would i find info?
    On the homepage of www.scientificbeekeeping.com

    Second article under "Bee News" on right side of page...scroll down. Lots to read.

    Ramona

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Quote Originally Posted by yankee joe View Post
    Just think how much food we eat with high fructose corn syrup in it. Kind of scary isn't.
    What's more "scary" about eating high fructose corn syrup as compared to honey?

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Quote Originally Posted by yankee joe View Post
    Just think how much food we eat with high fructose corn syrup in it. Kind of scary isn't.
    Only if you are poisoning it before you eat it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ramona View Post
    On the homepage of www.scientificbeekeeping.com

    Second article under "Bee News" on right side of page...scroll down. Lots to read.

    Ramona
    He really ripped them a new one.
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    >What's more "scary" about eating high fructose corn syrup as compared to honey?

    Well, first it has Bt toxin in it, which has not been in the human diet in large amounts before. Then it has neonics in it, which, once they bind to your neurons, they never let go, then we have a product that is not allowed in food in the rest of the world because they don't think it's fit for human consumption...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramona View Post
    On the homepage of www.scientificbeekeeping.com

    Second article under "Bee News" on right side of page...scroll down. Lots to read.

    Ramona
    I don't know how anyone can read that page...I try all the time and last on seconds before my eyes are really straining to stay open. For me, it's like looking at the sun or something.

    Too bad, because I would spend some time on there. I did get a kick out of his requirements for picking up nucs.

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    Thank you Michael. To you readers who are following this thread please read a little more on BT Toxins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee joe View Post
    Thank you Michael. To you readers who are following this thread please read a little more on BT Toxins.
    Michael Bush did not provide evidence that high fructose corn syrup "has Bt toxin in it" and "has neonics in it."

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    >Michael Bush did not provide evidence that high fructose corn syrup "has Bt toxin in it" and "has neonics in it."

    The Bt toxin has been spliced into the genetic code of the corn and is in every cell of the plant. I know of no process that will remove it entirely. It is harmless to bees and they have a short life anyway, so who knows what "long term" effects there are. My concern is with humans who will live 80 years or more. No one knows the long term effects of that. As for neonics it's similar (but slightly different). It is not in the genes, but it does permeate the entire plant. Tell me how they refine that out? I don't believe they can. Again, my concern is not for the bees, but for the humans. Neonics bond to the neuron receptors and unlike the acetyl choline that usually bonds there and lets go, it remains and does not clear out, so it permanently disables that neuron...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    And you have evidence that Bt toxins are in HFCS? I don't use the product but I would like to see the evidence that there is Bt toxin in HFCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    The Bt toxin has been spliced into the genetic code of the corn and is in every cell of the plant. I know of no process that will remove it entirely... so who knows what "long term" effects there are. My concern is with humans who will live 80 years or more. No one knows the long term effects of that.
    http://www.bestfoodfacts.org/food-fo...orn_is_it_safe

    Alison Van Eenennaam, PhD Cooperative Extension Specialist, Animal Genomics and Biotechnology University of California, Davis:

    "The National Academy of Sciences and other leading research institutions agree that GE foods present no unique risks, or greater risks, than non-GE foods. In fact, because GE foods are intensively tested for safety while most other foods are not, GE foods are probably safer than most foods on the market today."

    Bruce Chassy, Professor of Food Microbiology and Nutritional Sciences University of Illinois - Urbana/Champaign:

    "Genetically-engineered foods are rigorously tested before marketing. These tests are designed to ensure there are no adverse effects on human health now or in the future. There is no credible scientific evidence that they cause allergies or that they would have any long-term health effects."

    Wayne Parrott Professor in the Department of Crop and Soil Sciences College of Agricultural & Environmental Sciences University of Georgia:

    "GE sweet corn is every bit as safe as conventional sweet corn. It uses a protein that has been used in agriculture since 1937. Not only does it have a history of safe use, it has been extensively tested byHealthCanada, the European Food Safety Authority, the Korean FDA, Food Standards Australia & New Zealand, & the Japan Food Safety Commission, among others. All reports to the contrary do not hold up under close inspection."

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    Default Re: Researchers recreate bee collapse with pesticide-laced corn syrup

    I am sure someday we will look back and realize someone was right...and forget we were the ones that were wrong.
    "Someday we will look back and realize someone was right...and conveniently forget we were the ones that were wrong."

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    >"Genetically-engineered foods are rigorously tested before marketing. These tests are designed to ensure there are no adverse effects on human health now or in the future. There is no credible scientific evidence that they cause allergies or that they would have any long-term health effects."

    It is shear arrogance to think we can know the "long-term health effects" of something that has only been in the human diet in these amounts for the short term. You only find out "long term" effects after the "long term".
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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