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    Default Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    A couple weeks ago I split one of my hives and went in today to check on their progress with making a new queen. I found a an empty queen cell no queen and no sign of a queen. I wasn't expecting to find a queen just hoping to find a capped queen cell. So I took another frame from my other hive with brood eggs and larvae and what I think to be a swarm cell and put that in the split. Did I do that right was that wrong? Also the split has some signs of wax moths and there are mites on a bunch of the bees. How do I treat this I haven't had mites before and don't know what to do about that.

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    Default Re: Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    There's a plethora of varroa treatments to choose from. The pesticides include Api-Var, Check-Mite, Apistan, etc. You can also choose to treat with organic treatments like Mite Away Quick Strips or Hop-Guard. But you should consider treating all of your hives because they are in all of them.

    Have you done a mite check yet? I like the sugar shake test. http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com...arroaMites.asp

    As far as moving that frame over, it sounds like you did fine. Did you add that frame into the nuc or did you exchange a frame from the nuc for that donor frame? The reason I ask is because you don't want to give your bees a ton of drawn comb if they can't defend if from SHB and wax moth larva.

    What signs are you seeing of wax moths?

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    Default Re: Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    How do I delete this one its messed up??

    [QUOTE=JStinson;923374]There's a plethora of varroa treatments to choose from. The pesticides include Api-Var, Check-Mite, Apistan, etc. You can also choose to treat with organic treatments like Mite Away Quick Strips or Hop-Guard. But you should consider treating all of your hives because they are in all of them.

    Have you done a mite check yet? I like the sugar shake test. http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com...arroaMites.asp

    I didn't so much do the sugar shaker test as I just powder sugared the whole box that's what Ive been told to do before. I really don't want to use any chemicals so Ill look into the organic stuff you mentioned. As far as the wax moths I found a larvae crawling around which got promptly introduced to my hive tool he didn't like that and a little bit of the dusty stuff in the bottom of a frame (split bottom) that was also introduced to my hive tool. I added the frame to the nuc I didn't exchange them. Im going to give them a week and see whats going on next sunday. Thanks for the help.

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    Default Re: Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    Quote Originally Posted by JStinson View Post
    There's a plethora of varroa treatments to choose from. The pesticides include Api-Var, Check-Mite, Apistan, etc. You can also choose to treat with organic treatments like Mite Away Quick Strips or Hop-Guard. But you should consider treating all of your hives because they are in all of them.

    Have you done a mite check yet? I like the sugar shake test. http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com...arroaMites.asp

    As far as moving that frame over, it sounds like you did fine. Did you add that frame into the nuc or did you exchange a frame from the nuc for that donor frame? The reason I ask is because you don't want to give your bees a ton of drawn comb if they can't defend if from SHB and wax moth larva.

    What signs are you seeing of wax moths?

    I didn't so much do the sugar shaker test as I just powder sugared the whole box that's what Ive been told to do before. I really don't want to use any chemicals so Ill look into the organic stuff you mentioned. As far as the wax moths I found a larvae crawling around which got promptly introduced to my hive tool he didn't like that and a little bit of the dusty stuff in the bottom of a frame (split bottom) that was also introduced to my hive tool. I added the frame to the nuc I didn't exchange them. Im going to give them a week and see whats going on next sunday. Thanks for the help.

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    Default Re: Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    I'd definitely wait until you get a queen laying well in the split prior to treating for mites. All treatments stress the bees, and you don't want to do that until the queen is well established. I treated my hives with a single Mite Away Quick Strip 9 days ago and the queens are laying away now. I'll test for mites next week to check the results, but it sure didn't slow down my hives. If I get the mite results I expect, I'll be very happy with this treatment. It is also one of the few that can kill mites in brood, so you don't have to do multiple weekly treatments.

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    Default Re: Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    Im going to give them a week and see whats going on next sunday.
    That's a good idea. Is this nuc a strong nuc? The reason I ask is that strong hives will generally not have wax moth larva running around. If it was just one larva and the box is strong, no need to worry. If it's a weak hive then those larva will do serious damage.

    I am currently using Api-Var in my hives and it works very well. I am making a transition to organic treatments and have read up on Mite Away Quick Strips. I have not used them personally, but that would be my choice if I had to re treat my hives right now.

    Good luck to you. Let us know how it goes!

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    Default Re: Did a split now have mites wax moths and no capped queen cell now what??

    >A couple weeks ago I split one of my hives and went in today to check on their progress with making a new queen.

    When you made them queenless they would have started with a four day old (just hatched) larvae. The new queen would emerge 12 days later. She would be mated and laying two weeks after that (26 days). Two weeks is not long enough.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesmath.htm

    > I found a an empty queen cell no queen and no sign of a queen.

    A virgin is very hard to find. She is almost as small as the workers, very fast and likes to hide.

    > I wasn't expecting to find a queen just hoping to find a capped queen cell.

    But in two weeks she would have emerged.

    > So I took another frame from my other hive with brood eggs and larvae and what I think to be a swarm cell and put that in the split. Did I do that right was that wrong?

    Eggs and open brood is always a good insurance policy.
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beespanacea.htm

    > Also the split has some signs of wax moths

    The cause of wax moth issues is too much room for the number of bees. Or, in other words, not enough density of bees. Since you can't easily add bees, it's usually simpler to remove comb. Freeze it to kill the wax moth larvae. Compress the hive until the bees can cover the combs well.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beeswaxmoths.htm
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beespests.htm#waxmoths

    > and there are mites on a bunch of the bees. How do I treat this I haven't had mites before and don't know what to do about that.

    I assume you're seeing Varroa mites. You may need a short term plan and a long term plan.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beespests.htm#varroa
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesvarroatreatments.htm
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beesnaturalcell.htm
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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