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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    My first tb was modeled after a Golden Mean. Way too small and we have a short season. It's almost like a swarm machine. Not good for a new beekeeper in my opinion.

  2. #22
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    Charles Town, WV
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    Quote Originally Posted by PatBeek View Post
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    So what's the huge downside to a swarming hive, unless you are a big honey producer/pollinator?
    Last fall, my single tbh threw off a swarm very late sept/oct timeframe. Very few drones remained and the queenless hive was dead by Thanksgiving.

    On the bright side, the package I just installed today have a full hive of good comb with lots of stores.

    Queen was dead so I didn't direct release the replacement that I brought home 4 hours after I shook the bees in. The girls were super-excited to have a live queen. They went from being very agitated and flying all over, to calmly setting up shop in about an hour.

  3. #23
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    St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    Bump

  4. #24
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    >They look nice, but I think they must be too small.

    I'd make it four feet long minimum... but then the "golden mean" probably doesn't apply anymore... imo the "golden mean" is an aesthetic proportion more than a practical one...
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

  5. #25
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    Roanoke, VA
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    Maybe if you scaled the whole thing out it would still be a golden mean hive. I'm pretty sure most gums don't have golden mean proportions. But I painted my hives green and brown, so what do I know about aesthetics.

  6. #26
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    Jun 2012
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    Spicewood, Texas, USA
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    I tried the slightly smaller version of the Golden Mean, and never could get a package to remain in it. I tried two packages and had to introduce new queens. Everything failed. I won't go into all the details, but it seems that the design created nothing but chaos. My other two TBHs have been successful from the get-go. (One is a Bee Thinking TBH, and the other is almost exactly the same size, ordered elsewhere.)

    I got so frustrated with the small hive design that I gave it away.

    Sondra

  7. #27
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    Apr 2013
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    Josephine County,Oregon,USA
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    Default Re: Golden Mean Full?

    Last winter I had my husband make me a GM for my first hive.Very beautiful and my package bees adored it and got prolific immediately. I made the beginner mistake of starting with only One package. Being 60 yrs old and knowing I'd have no help at all I didn't want to be overwealmed. HA. Happened anyway! My April 9 package of Carniolans filled it,evicted drones for 2 weeks and then swarmed by JUNE 14. That was way too fast for me,as a first year,to control.
    I wasn't ready with another hive.I can't Imagine the Work of babysitting several Golden Means! Eeeek!
    I feel that keeping enough empty bars for a queen in the brood nest in a Golden Mean would be a WEEKLY job. I did Not want to open my hive That often! They refilled it to bursting by Fall too and had stores to the end.
    IMHO proportionately making it bigger would really make the already large combs Too big and heavy if a person ever has 100 degree weather softening them. I think adding a foot or MORE to the end would really make a nice hive though!!! They Are a swarm machine,at least for Carniolans, and it seems to me a person could make a couple of splits a year Using a GM for That purpose!
    The upside for me is that I got a locally bred daughter-queen out of my first year beekeeping. It looks like they actually might make it through the winter too!(fingers crossed). I don't know how a person could ever get much honey from a GM because the Beek needs to pull partially built/filled combs ALL the time til Fall to keep any space at all in the thing to try to keep their bees. I LOVE the GM DVD and website but it didn't work That way in My climate (yet).
    I got a second hive that's 48" ready for This year and an empty nuc too! Expecting to get honey from my bigger hive by next year I won't mind the swarm machine giving bees "to the wild" so much if I lose them. This Spring IF I can actually harvest a full comb of honey or more (from last year's winter stores)from the Golden Mean, I'll add to this thread. HB
    Last edited by HappyBeeing; 01-10-2014 at 03:17 PM.

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