# Thread: Curosity question for the experts

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## Curosity question for the experts

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If you find a queen in a hive and move her to another box will all the bees go to the new box after the queen smell has diminished form the old box?

I have yet to find an unmarked queen.

Supposing you moved the old box and moved the new box where the old box was...
What would move over besides the foragers?

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## Re: Curosity question for the experts

I would like to help with an answer, but I haven't a clue where you are going with the question. Can you ask it in a different way? John

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## Re: Curosity question for the experts

I know you can get drift from queenlees nucs to queenright colonies nearby, but if the old hive has brood I doubt much will move. Moving the new box to the old location isn't really having the foragers move over... to them they're going back home.

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## Re: Curosity question for the experts

To your first question, no. what will happen if you do that is any feild bees you had with the queen will abandon her and go to the orininal area of there home leaving the ones in the new spot with the queen weak. if you only moved the queen to the new spot with out bees she will die with no bees to feed her.

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## Re: Curosity question for the experts

If you find a queen in a hive and move her to another box will all the bees go to the new box after the queen smell has diminished form the old box?

Is this like a split? I am not sure how your queen move is like.
Yes and no. Depending on how the queen is moved either horizontal or vertical. Let say you have 2 boxes one on top of another. You find the queen in the lower box and moved her to the upper box. Then yes most of the bees will goto the upper box to tend to the queen. Majority of the nurse bees will stay at the bottom box to tends to the broods and larvae. Because the bees all wondering over these 2 boxes the queen pheromone will never diminish too much. Once they are in contact with the queen they will distribute her smell all over these 2 hives.

I have yet to find an unmarked queen.
It is hard to find an unmarked queen with so many bees inside a hive. If you want to find her then put another hive box in between to separate the 2 boxes for 24 hours.. The one box with the most bees not counting the nurse bees then should find the queen there. If not then this experiment did not work out. I have never done this before. But worth a try to see if you could find her this way. Another way is to find the eggs along with many empty cells. The eggs that the queen just laid and the empty cells for her to lay some more. The queen should be very nearby.

Supposing you moved the old box and moved the new box where the old box was...
What would move over besides the foragers?

Is this a box reverse position? Or are you talking about a split again?
Again, if this is a vertical movement like a box swap, the majority of the nurse bees will stay with the broods and larvae frames. The majority foragers will stay with the empty cell combs to fill in nectar and pollen. The queen might move to lay in the empty cells though.

The queen moment is to find empty cells to lay eggs in. If you find those combs along with some eggs then the queen will most likely be there.

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## Re: Curosity question for the experts

When I make queenless nucs, and move them to another yard, occasionally I take an old queen by mistake. The next day when I install the queens, the queen-right nuc will have a huge beard of bees that were attracted from the queenless nucs because of the queen. While some of the bees from the queenless nucs drift to the queen-right nuc, not all of the bees drift.

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## Re: Curosity question for the experts

Originally Posted by Michael Palmer
... the queen-right nuc will have a huge beard of bees that were attracted from the queenless nucs because of the queen..
Thanks for that tidbit Michael. I experienced this yesterday. I have 48 double deeps packed with bees recently brought up from Florida temporarily parked at a location too small for them. I've been moving them off the pallets onto bottom boards and splitting in half as I move them to out yards. I noticed some of the hives in the new yards have heavy bearding after a few hours. I'm tapped out after my Florida trip so I'm letting them raise their own queens.

Did anyone mention beekeeping is a lot of hard work? I hate moving hives, but love the new yards.

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