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    Default how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    How soon after an egg is laid do they cap the cell? Reason I ask is ...I split a hive on March 16th and let them raise their own queen. ...I realize the queen should probably be on or done with her mating flights...and laying. I have a hard time seeing the eggs but was wondering when I should see capped brood.
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Queens are capped around day 8 or 9, workers 11 or 12 I believe.

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    per
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee_life_cycle

    capped cell

    queen 7.5 days
    worker 9
    drone 10

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Queen caped in 11 1/2 days worker in 12 days and drone capped in 12 1/2 days.

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Bee math from Michael Bush

    http://bushfarms.com/beesmath.htm
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    So theoretically it could take 43 days to see capped brood from a split hive?
    Queen to be laying 28 days +-5 = 33
    Worker capped 9 days +-1 = 10

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Yep, you should see eggs after 33 days though.

    *edit*

    Now as an after thought do the math from the time you start a new queen cell to the time you have foraging workers out in the field bringing in nectar/pollen. After you do that math try to roughly guesstimate when your main flow (whether it's spring, summer, fall,) is. This is the type of thinking I've been trying to force myself into while looking at making increase; starting new nucleus's and raising new queens.
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    This is a link to The Beeyard Queen Rearing Calendar, well worth bookmarking. Just plug in your dates and the calendar is generated for the cycle.

    http://www.thebeeyard.org/queen-rearing-calendar/

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by SallyD View Post
    So theoretically it could take 43 days to see capped brood from a split hive?
    Queen to be laying 28 days +-5 = 33
    Worker capped 9 days +-1 = 10
    In a month shear off all the drone caps. Every week shear off all the drone caps. In 60 days if you don't have any worker brood dump the hive and collect all the honey the foragers have been collecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    In a month shear off all the drone caps. Every week shear off all the drone caps. In 60 days if you don't have any worker brood dump the hive and collect all the honey the foragers have been collecting.
    What? How does that pertain to the question of how long it takes to have capped worker cells?
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Just need to remember one number for workers. Three. Then double each step until you have them at emergence. Ie:

    3 days as an egg. Double for 6 days as a larve. Double again to 12 days as a capped pupae. Add them a up. 3+6+12 = 21 days from new egg to emerged worker bee.

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Thanks, jb. I am still learning now.
    According to this queen rearing calendar
    http://www.thebeeyard.org/cgi-bin/qu...y=16&year=2013
    you will see larvae on around 4/20 or so. Today is 4/10 so still another 10 days or so to go before you see any capped broods.

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Moon, I think Acebird mentioned that since if you don't have workers and you have drones you have a queenless hive with a laying worker. I've heard that if you get a laying working you should put in a frame of eggs and swap the hive with the laying worker with a good hive. Supposedly the returning foragers will not accept the laying worker and will kill her, then they can make a new queen from eggs.

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    I normally will start seeing larva in the hive at about 30 days after grafting. So I would not start worrying until April 16 to 20. And that is for larva not capped brood. Capped will be 6 days later so end of April for capped brood

    Quote Originally Posted by SallyD View Post
    How soon after an egg is laid do they cap the cell? Reason I ask is ...I split a hive on March 16th and let them raise their own queen. ...I realize the queen should probably be on or done with her mating flights...and laying. I have a hard time seeing the eggs but was wondering when I should see capped brood.
    Thanks!
    Sally

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    In a month shear off all the drone caps. Every week shear off all the drone caps. In 60 days if you don't have any worker brood dump the hive and collect all the honey the foragers have been collecting.
    No where in Acebirds post does he make a comment about a drone laying queen edit: or worker for that matter, he just says to start shearing off drone comb after a month, then every week, then after 2 months kill the hive? That sounds like a terrible waste of a hive on top of not answering the question first being posed or even offering any kind of insight on ways to identify if a hive is queen right or not. As far as I can tell all Acebird did was condemn this hive unless worker brood is present.

    On the note of swapping hives and the returning foragers killing the laying worker I have never heard of that method for dealing with a laying worker but it sounds really intriguing. I'm going to have to try that this year and see how it works, sounds like a really good idea
    Last edited by Moon; 04-10-2013 at 08:39 PM.
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    What? How does that pertain to the question of how long it takes to have capped worker cells?
    Dude, follow the rest of us on the boards and just ignore him. (like with the ignore function on the site) It saves SOOOO much frustration if you just dont see the nonsense he spews in his posts.

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    What? How does that pertain to the question of how long it takes to have capped worker cells?
    It doesn't but it does have relevance to the quote I copied from SallyD. A laying worker hive will eventually die anyway so killing off the drones is likely to kill off mites in your apiary while you are checking to see if the hive is actually a laying worker hive.
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    There has been no talk or mention of laying workers anywhere in this thread. The quote you copied from SallyD was:

    >So theoretically it could take 43 days to see capped brood from a split hive?
    >Queen to be laying 28 days +-5 = 33
    >Worker capped 9 days +-1 = 10

    That has NOTHING to do with a laying worker. That was a question about the theoretical amount of time from the day a split is made until you first see eggs from the new queen. Rather than recommending killing an entire colony why not recommend dropping a frame of brood in every 28 days and seeing if the bees try to raise a new queen or if they let the queen in the hive continue on as normal. If the queen turns out to be a drone layer you can pinch and keep adding brood until they raise another one, you get the bonus of not having to kill an entire colony for absolutely no reason.
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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nature Coast beek View Post
    This is a link to The Beeyard Queen Rearing Calendar, well worth bookmarking. Just plug in your dates and the calendar is generated for the cycle.

    http://www.thebeeyard.org/queen-rearing-calendar/
    Thank you!!! That is awsome NCb

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    Default Re: how soon after egg is laid do they cap the cell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That was a question about the theoretical amount of time from the day a split is made until you first see eggs from the new queen.
    How do you know they are from a new queen? She can't see the eggs and they could be from the old queen. Maybe she can't find the queen. Pinch a drone layer? There could be hundreds of them. Why always assume the worst? And why waste brood on a laying worker hive when it is not guaranteed and you can't see what your looking at?

    If this thread was just about answering the title question it could have ended on the third or forth post. And so it continues.
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