Neonicotinoids are insecticides. Nobody is claiming they don't kill bees. Of course insecticides kill bees. But the issue is whether neonicotinoids are responsible for widespread bee decline. In spite of a lot of shouting and screaming, no one has has succeeded in proving that point.
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Actually, a LOT of people are claiming that the call to ban neonicotinoids in the US (like they just did in the EU) is a "rush to judgement" and "not based on sound science," etc. In this thread, Blue Diamond stated:
"Why is it extremely unlikely that the neonics are causing problems for bees? Answer: Lack of exposure due to the extremely tiny doses that are used to treat seeds and the fact that the seeds are buried in the soil.
Example: A 2.5 gallon container of Bayer's Poncho/VOTiVO seed treatment, contains 40.3% clothianidin
Only 2.7 fluid ounces of PONCHO is used to treat the 80,000 kernels that are found in one ~ 50 pound bag of corn seed that will plant 2.2 acres of land in corn.
So that means a 12 fluid ounce soda pop sized can of PONCHO is enough to treat a whopping 9.8 acres of corn = the size of SEVEN foot ball fields!
And means 3 quarts of PONCHO is enough to treat 74 acres of land in corn = the acreage of turf typically found in a 18 hole golf course!"
Watch the video, then tell me neonics don't harm bees....
The California Department of Pesticide Regulation's research shows that Imidacloprid photodegrades with a half life of 3 hours in water and photodegrades with a half life of 39 days in soil. Unless it's buried, it's not as persistent as you think.
That's strange because I keep hearing how the bees are in danger or annihilation. And that is pretty much everywhere. I was under the impression where is a desperate need to fix what ails them. Multiple times over. So gain I guess it is a matter of what is considered fine, healthy and thriving. From what I see the only reason e have bees at all is they have a tremendous ability to repopulate. After a winter in which huge loses are the headline story. I am not hearing about how swarms are being seen in many placed in greater numbers than usual. This does not mean these bees are swarming into a healthy environment. in fact they will swarm into the same environment that caused the devastation just months ago. I would not characterize it as healthy.
Significant Minority vs Insignificant Majority, 20% of causes produce 80% of the effects.
[QUOTE=Daniel Y;942948]That's strange because I keep hearing how the bees are in danger or annihilation. And that is pretty much everywhere. .[/QUOTE
Your hearing what you want to hear.... Read the USDA reports on numbers of bee colonies in the US... yup we have had a cpl tough years... but the numbers show a level to increase in hives....
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