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    Default Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides, until proven that it does not negatively impact honeybees.

    Numerous recent studies link the CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) of honeybees to the use of certain Neonicotinoid pesticides (e.g. imidacloprid, clothianidin, thiamethoxam).

    Population of honeybee colonies has been dropping at an alarming rate since 2006. EPA keeps on ignoring the fact that there are effects from these pesticides on bee health. If honeybee health were of any concern to the EPA, the use of these pesticides would have been banned years ago. Countries such as France, England, Italy, Germany and Slovenia have banned at least some form of Neonicotinoids (e.g. for seed treatments).

    EPA has agreed that there are "known acute toxicity of these compounds to pollinators" but has not even placed the use of these toxic pesticides on hold.

    Please sign at the link bellow:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ybees/zK6mgtc3

    It needs 150 signatures to be searchable on the white house website.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    I tried to, but the site gave me nothing but trouble while attempting to sign in. Is anyone else having the same problem?

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    ...are we to assume that if they ban these chemicals that less harmful ones will be used? Anyone want to explain what those are and why they are going to be less harmful?

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by deknow View Post
    ...are we to assume that if they ban these chemicals that less harmful ones will be used? Anyone want to explain what those are and why they are going to be less harmful?

    deknow
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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Limonchenko View Post
    Numerous recent studies link the CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) of honeybees to the use of certain Neonicotinoid pesticides (e.g. imidacloprid, clothianidin, thiamethoxam).
    Which studies?

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    don't buy the products these chemicals are used on, that will get far more attention than your signature on a petition.
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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Corn... Soybeans... beef... chicken... pork...(The last 3 are all fed Nico Feed) it is gonna be tough to eliminate from our diet....
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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by hpm08161947 View Post
    Corn... Soybeans... beef... chicken... pork...(The last 3 are all fed Nico Feed) it is gonna be tough to eliminate from our diet....
    didn't say it was going to be easy.
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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    I'd love to hear from those who produce commercial quantities of honey - I'm starting to believe that if you want to know with certainty that your bees are safe from pesticides, herbicides, etc., that you need to control (own) the land the bees forage on, or take your chances. This would certainly increase the expense of producing honey and I've no idea if the market would support higher prices for domestically produced honey. Thoughts?

    Maybe a better way of phrasing my question is to what extent do land owners who are not beekeepers themselves have a responsibility to manage their land in ways that allow bees access to safe and nutritious forage? I imagine (meaning speculate) that unless the beekeeper is providing reasonable compensation to the landowner, no obligation to provide safe & good habitat exists.

    The conversation starts to get interesting when each party gets some benefit - pollination by the farmer/land owner and honey for the beekeeper.
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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Limonchenko View Post

    Numerous recent studies link the CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) of honeybees to the use of certain Neonicotinoid pesticides (e.g. imidacloprid, clothianidin, thiamethoxam).
    Still waiting for a list of the numerous studies which link neonicotinoids to CCD. (see posts 1 and 4)

    I only know of studies which have failed to find a link between neonicotinoids and CCD so I would be interested in hearing about the studies you referred to in your opening post.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by jonathan View Post
    Still waiting for a list of the numerous studies which link neonicotinoids to CCD. (see posts 1 and 4)

    I only know of studies which have failed to find a link between neonicotinoids and CCD so I would be interested in hearing about the studies you referred to in your opening post.
    I can't believe I have to do this on beekeepers' forum.

    Enjoy reading...

    http://www.entomology.umn.edu/cues/p...reatedcorn.pdf
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...ne.0030023.pdf
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0029268
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22292570
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22461498
    http://www.boerenlandvogels.nl/sites...urwissen_5.pdf Yes, nosema is one of the aspects CCD.
    http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/resea...rupkeBees.html

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    I am familiar with those studies but none of them claim that neonicotinoids cause CCD

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    I can't sign a petition to ban a product which might be a problem for bees.

    Now if I can find a petition to ban the EPA, I'd be all over it.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by jonathan View Post
    I am familiar with those studies but none of them claim that neonicotinoids cause CCD
    Does it have to CAUSE CCD to have a "negative impact" on bees?

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by Seymore View Post
    Does it have to CAUSE CCD to have a "negative impact" on bees?
    .
    Of course not but the petition states:

    Numerous recent studies link the CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) of honeybees to the use of certain Neonicotinoid pesticides
    The opposite is in fact true. Many studies have looked for a link and failed to find one.
    CCD has a defined set of symptoms so ascribing any colony death to CCD is not helpful.

    This study by Van Engelsdorp looked at CCD.

    Background

    Over the last two winters, there have been large-scale, unexplained losses of managed honey bee (Apis mellifera L.) colonies in the United States. In the absence of a known cause, this syndrome was named Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) because the main trait was a rapid loss of adult worker bees. We initiated a descriptive epizootiological study in order to better characterize CCD and compare risk factor exposure between populations afflicted by and not afflicted by CCD.
    Methods and Principal Findings

    Of 61 quantified variables (including adult bee physiology, pathogen loads, and pesticide levels), no single measure emerged as a most-likely cause of CCD. Bees in CCD colonies had higher pathogen loads and were co-infected with a greater number of pathogens than control populations, suggesting either an increased exposure to pathogens or a reduced resistance of bees toward pathogens. Levels of the synthetic acaricide coumaphos (used by beekeepers to control the parasitic mite Varroa destructor) were higher in control colonies than CCD-affected colonies.
    Conclusions/Significance

    This is the first comprehensive survey of CCD-affected bee populations that suggests CCD involves an interaction between pathogens and other stress factors. We present evidence that this condition is contagious or the result of exposure to a common risk factor. Potentially important areas for future hypothesis-driven research, including the possible legacy effect of mite parasitism and the role of honey bee resistance to pesticides, are highlighted.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by jonathan View Post
    I am familiar with those studies but none of them claim that neonicotinoids cause CCD
    I don't claim that it is THE CAUSE, but I do believe that it is the straw that broke the camel's back.
    These studies on neonicotinoids do show that they negatively impact the health of honeybees which are already stressed.
    CCD is a complex issue and I'm not sure anyone will ever be able to say what is THE CAUSE of it. It's like finding cure for cancer.

    The following list is from EPA's website:
    All of the following factors contribute to CCD:
    - invasive varroa mite (a pest of honeybees);
    - virus and or Nosema;
    - pesticide poisoning through exposure to pesticides applied to crops or for in-hive insect or mite control;
    - bee management stress;
    - inadequate forage/poor nutrition and
    - immune-suppressing stress on bees caused by one or a combination of factors above.

    And the studies do show that each one of those factors are increased when the neonics are being used.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/about/...opean-ban.html

    I was wrong about England sorry, they are just as slow as EPA. http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress2/?p=20301

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Limonchenko View Post

    And the studies do show that each one of those factors are increased when the neonics are being used.
    Actually, they don't.

    Pettis and Engelsdorp found that nosema levels in individual bees increased in the lab after exposure to Imidacloprid.
    He acknowledged that he was not seeing this at colony level in field studies.
    Alaux also did similar work.

    Are you suggesting that exposure to neonicotinoids increases problems with mites or virus?
    If there is a paper which shows that, I have not seen it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Limonchenko View Post
    The following list is from EPA's website:
    All of the following factors contribute to CCD:
    - invasive varroa mite (a pest of honeybees);
    - virus and or Nosema;
    - pesticide poisoning through exposure to pesticides applied to crops or for in-hive insect or mite control;
    - bee management stress;
    - inadequate forage/poor nutrition and
    - immune-suppressing stress on bees caused by one or a combination of factors above.

    That is not what the EPA website says.

    This is what it says:

    There have been many theories about the cause of CCD, but the researchers who are leading the effort to find out why are now focused on these factors:

    increased losses due to the invasive varroa mite (a pest of honeybees);
    new or emerging diseases such as Israeli Acute Paralysis virus and the gut parasite Nosema;
    pesticide poisoning through exposure to pesticides applied to crops or for in-hive insect or mite control;
    bee management stress;
    foraging habitat modification
    inadequate forage/poor nutrition and
    potential immune-suppressing stress on bees caused by one or a combination of factors identified above.

    Additional factors may include poor nutrition, drought, and migratory stress brought about by the increased need to move bee colonies long distances to provide pollination services.
    They are looking at these factors. They are not claiming that they cause CCD.

    This is what they say about bees, pesticides and CCD

    Dead bees don’t necessarily mean CCD

    Certain pesticides are harmful to bees. That’s why we require instructions for protecting bees on the labels of pesticides that are known to be particularly harmful to bees. This is one of many reasons why everyone must read and follow pesticide label instructions. When most or all of the bees in a hive are killed by overexposure to a pesticide, we call that a beekill incident resulting from acute pesticide poisoning. But acute pesticide poisoning of a hive is very different from CCD and is almost always avoidable.
    Please try and be careful with what you cite and its better to provide a link so it can be verified.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey Limonchenko View Post

    Countries such as France, England, Italy, Germany and Slovenia have banned at least some form of Neonicotinoids (e.g. for seed treatments).
    Not sure where you got that information from but in the case of England (UK) This is a Department of Agriculture (DEFRA) statement from 9th April.

    The UK government’s position

    Defra has kept evidence on neonicotinoids under open-minded scrutiny. We assess new studies as they emerge and consider how they alter the overall situation.
    Following this work, we have produced an assessment of the evidence about neonicotinoids and bees. The assessment cannot exclude rare effects of neonicotinoids on bees in the field. However, it suggests that effects on bees do not occur under normal circumstances.
    Germany imposed a temporary ban after the corn/maize seed drilling/planter dust bee kills of 2008
    France banned some neonics on some crops but bee problems remained.
    I think Slovenia has had a ban for quite a while.

    Surely a petition should get the basic facts straight before asking people to sign.

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    Default Re: Petition: Direct the EPA to ban the use of Neonicotinoid pesticides

    Surely a petition should get the basic facts straight before asking people to sign.

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