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  1. #1
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    Default Bear fence article

    Here is a link to a bear fence I'm getting ready to put up , was wondering if anyone here has all ready put one up and how they made out .

    http://www.kencove.com/fence/76_Bear+Fence_resource.php

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    I have one of those Parmak Magnum attached to an apiary enclosure with Field Fencing. We have Black bear problems around here. I think the key is to have the fencing up prior to a bear attack. Once the bears know the hives are there and what is in them, no fence will keep them out electrified or not.
    "Someday we will look back and realize someone was right...and conveniently forget we were the ones that were wrong."

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    I use a Parmak Magnum attached to the portable sheep fence that Kencove and others sell. It has the benefit of keeping critters like skunks away from the bee yard but has the disadvantage or requiring trimming of the grass around it by hand. I have been thinking about putting down a strip of tar or weed paper to keep the fence bottom free of grass and weeds.

    Instead of having hive stands that are up in the air so as to expose skunk tummies to stings, I rely on the electric fence and instead use 2 x 4s on their sides. (ala Mike Palmer)
    Using this technique I don't understand the logic behind the hive height requirement for CNG. If the goal is to keep skunks and other critters out of the hive, I'm accomplishing that with my electric fence.

    After several years I need to replace the fence around my yard - cattle panels are an intriguing idea but shipping them must be very expensive.
    Master Beekeeper (EAS) and Master Gardener (U Maine CE) www.beeberrywoods.com

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Dewey View Post
    After several years I need to replace the fence around my yard - cattle panels are an intriguing idea but shipping them must be very expensive.
    Around here, Tractor Supply store have cattle panels as a routine stock item. I see that there seem to be lots of Tractor Supply stores in Maine:
    http://www.mystore411.com/store/list...tore-locations

    I'd be surprised if one of those stores within driving distance didn't stock cattle panels. Here's a SKU number for you:
    http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...ft-l-x-50-in-h
    Graham
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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    All the tractor supply stores have them here and that is the exact panel that I just picked up . The problem is finding the 1 1/4'' dia. fiberglass posts . Kencove is the only one I can find that stocks them and they are a little pricey to ship but I don't think I have a choice unless someone here knows of a supplier in northeast PA.

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    wood posts with stock panels hung from them to keep them from grounding. Then electrify the panels and have a very good ground and a strong charger.

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    I might try wood stakes but living in the rock capitol of world I like the idea of not digging post holes , the fiberglass post you can just drive in the ground no digging and no insulating ,fiberglass doesn't ground out the fence like a wood post .

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Dewey View Post
    I have been thinking about putting down a strip of tar or weed paper to keep the fence bottom free of grass and weeds.
    Just spread pickling salt under the fence and it'll solve that problem. We spread it around hives last spring and the grass never came up, but 3 feet away it was 3 feet high. I used about 2 cups around 3 hives, worked magic.

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    Not sure whats in pickling salt , rock salt would probably be cheaper and avail. in bigger bags , wonder if it would work the same way for weed and grass control . Also vinegar is suppose to kill weeds and grass , here's a link .

    http://landscaping.about.com/od/weed...egar_weeds.htm

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    > The problem is finding the 1 1/4'' dia. fiberglass posts.

    I have seen ordinary T-posts used with lengths of poly pipe slipped over the T-post after they are pounded into the ground. The poly pipe insulates the post from the wire.
    Graham
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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    That might work , have you seen how they fasten the panel to the pvc tube.

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    > have you seen how they fasten the panel to the pvc tube

    Well, my earlier post said "poly" pipe. In that instance they just used smaller diameter wire wrapped around the pipe/post and also wrapped around the main wire. Note that poly pipe is somewhat squishable and if you pull the wire tight the pipe will deform somewhat. Once deformed, the poly pipe is difficult to remove from the T-posts.

    PVC pipe may also work, but it isn't likely to deform like poly pipe will.
    Graham
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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    I thought you meant pvc , my mistake , now I see what your saying ,thanks .

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    what is the size of the space that is recommended to enclose with a bear fence? Just figured out that i will need to plan for this as part of my setup. I figure larger is better, but am hoping for some input from others experience.

    thanks, andi

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    The cattle panels make a pretty nice size bee yard at 16 ft. square , I laid out my posts and squared it up , set my 8 ft long hive stand on six concrete blocks and have more than enough room for another stand , my stand will hold three hives .

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    Thx
    My man is wondering if you know of a source for how to build this from beginning to end.
    Andi

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    Andi , other than the link in my first post I do have one from the pa. game commission its a little more detailed , the hog panels or the taller cattle panels are avail at most farm supply stores , the posts are avail. from Kencove here in PA. but thats a long ways from you . Thats about all you need except a good strong fencer and some hardware .If you can't find the posts I have seen people use traditional wood posts but then you have to deal with insulators and digging post holes with the fiberglass you don't have that to deal with. Good luck and let me know if I can be of anymore help .Bruce

    http://www.thebeeyard.org/wp-content...e_Comm.pdf.pdf

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    Thanks. That is what he needed. What do you do for a door? How do you get in and out?

    Really appreciate your help
    Andi

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    I would contact the local office of the division of wildlife . Here in colorado the DOW will supply anyone who applies for it , a complete electric enclosure , at no charge . They take the position that it is better to spend a little up front rather than replace a lot down the road . In this state the DOW is responsible for wildlife damage .

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    Default Re: Bear fence article

    They suggest that you just lift one panel off a bolt at the corner enough to get inside , I did find a easy way to connect panels to each other in the corners , use 1/4'' cable clamps , maybe two per corner you can draw them tight with a wrench , should make a good connection , in the corner where you want to enter I'm thinking of using two wires with small clamps similar to jumper cable clamps but maybe a little smaller .

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