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    Default Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Is their a new way to treat mites. Just wondering because they took Taktic off the market.

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Apivar seems to just gotten approved or is soon to be approved for use in all 50 states..... It's not new... but it's approval is for NC.
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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    I used Mite away quick strips last fall and was pleased.

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Just FYI, not a recommendation as I don't use this: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100608323 -js

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Apivar is too expensive and you have to put two strips per hive

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    Mitaban from a vet.
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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cabeekeeper View Post
    Is their a new way to treat mites. Just wondering because they took Taktic off the market.
    Why don't you have someone toss it over the border fence like the rumor suggests many other folks happen to be doing.

    Did hear that Johnson and Johnson is is developing a new one called "TWEEZER" through their subsidiary division PICKnTOSS INC. From the preliminary reports the product works pretty but the contra-actions include stab wounds and crunched exoskeletons during application by those who failed to have their eyes tested recently.

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cabeekeeper View Post
    Is their a new way to treat mites. Just wondering because they took Taktic off the market.
    Really, they took TAKTIC off the market....

    Really, they were short this year in the almonds with no taktic available, But the year before taktic was available and we were long on bees in the almonds.

    Really, they had beekeepers jumping on TV and NOT one mention TAKTIC .

    Really, they are blaming farmers for thier troubles.

    Really, it's time to start telling the truth.
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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    I have a friend who will remain nameless. Professional apiculturist. Works with beekeepers, fruit growers, and regulators. At a meeting of regulators last year discussing amitraz, he said if you want to see CCD, take away Taktic.

    They did and what did we see?

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    In my country Apivar is widely used. Here's a few of my personal observations.

    You need 2 strips per brood box, ie, in a 2 brood box hive, you need 4 strips. The mode of action is not to kill mites outright. What it does is paralyze them, they fall off the bees and die of starvation over a few days. If you look at the floorboard of a hive with mites dropped by Apistan, the mites will be dead. If Apivar was used, many of the mites will still be kicking.

    Because of this somewhat round about way of killing mites, some of them do manage to make it back into the brood cells and lay eggs to produce another generation. You don't get all the mites the first brood cycle. I've found to really get mites down close to zero, the Apivar strips have to stay in the hive 10 weeks. I have spoken to the manufacturers about this and they told me that at 10 weeks, the strips are still leaching around 1/2 the Amitraz they did when they were new, which is enough, but at the 10 week mark they should be removed to prevent underdosing & encouraging resistant mites.

    Using Taktic, solves short term problems, and cheaply, sure. However the Apivar strips are designed to release a steady and constant amount of Amitraz into the hive for a sustained period, eliminating mites, and in a way least likely to encourage mite resistance to Amitraz. Expensive? Sure. So is resistance, when nothing works & everybodies hives are struggling/dying.

    There is a lesson to be learned from Apistan. It was not incorrect use of Apistan that caused the speedy development of resistant mites. It was the misuse of agricultural chemicals containing the active ingredient Fluvenate, just dropped into hives any which way for a quick mite kill, that allowed resistant mites to develop as dosage was not controlled.

    In my country, beekeepers did not use any form of fluvenate other than Apistan strips, which are designed to give proper dose rates to a hive. 13 years after mites arrived here, Apistan is still virtually 100% effective, except for one part of the country where a group of beekeepers misuse it for years (used 1/4 dose), which allowed the hardy mites to survive.

    The take away lesson, is that Apivar is expensive, but used right and not abused should give US beekeepers many years protection. But if any random beekeeper is using Taktic at whatever dose rate he sees fit, development of resistance will be speedy, and soon you will not need to worry about how to smuggle in the Tactic, as it won't work anyway, and nor will Apivar strips.

    Just my 2 cents
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post

    The take away lesson, is that Apivar is expensive, but used right and not abused should give US beekeepers many years protection. But if any random beekeeper is using Taktic at whatever dose rate he sees fit, development of resistance will be speedy, and soon you will not need to worry about how to smuggle in the Tactic, as it won't work anyway, and nor will Apivar strips.

    Just my 2 cents
    I wonder why we have not seen Amitraz resistance already..... maybe no one speaks about it.... shhhh.
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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Quote Originally Posted by hpm08161947 View Post
    I wonder why we have not seen Amitraz resistance already..... maybe no one speaks about it.... shhhh.
    I was waiting for someone to say that LOL. Cos I don't know how long Taktic has been getting used.

    But Amitraz resistance by varroa mites has now been recorded. Mostly though, it's still working. But uncontrolled dosing WILL speed resistance, just what time frame that will be who knows.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    I'm interested Ishi, can you link here?
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Quote Originally Posted by hpm08161947 View Post
    I wonder why we have not seen Amitraz resistance already..... maybe no one speaks about it.... shhhh.
    I bet you will see amitraz resistance with apivar out there now.

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Thanks for your 2 cents, Oldtimer. Good advice indeed.
    I work regularly in Cambodia ( in Agriculture - nothing to do with bees). Farmers are sold chemicals they don't understand, where they can't read the label ( if they can read at all) and the result is as described by Oldtimer above. In the west we have no such excuses. There is a place for chemicals but they will only work if used as recommended.

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    In my country Apivar is widely used. Here's a few of my personal observations.

    You need 2 strips per brood box, ie, in a 2 brood box hive, you need 4 strips. The mode of action is not to kill mites outright. What it does is paralyze them, . . . . . the Apivar strips have to stay in the hive 10 weeks. I have spoken to the manufacturers about this and they told me that at 10 weeks, the strips are still leaching around 1/2 the Amitraz they did when they were new, which is enough, but at the 10 week mark they should be removed to prevent underdosing & encouraging resistant mites.
    Good post Oldtimer, Im my experience it is very important to provide the full treatment time. I also treat during the spring because I feel its important to have the bees active during the treatment
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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Speaking of telling the truth Keith what are you using for mites???

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Thank you Keith, Really.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Really, they took TAKTIC off the market....

    Really, they were short this year in the almonds with no taktic available, But the year before taktic was available and we were long on bees in the almonds.

    Really, they had beekeepers jumping on TV and NOT one mention TAKTIC .

    Really, they are blaming farmers for thier troubles.

    Really, it's time to start telling the truth.

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    Default Re: Is their a new way to treat mites?

    Brood break , quickstrips, apigaurd and oxalic acid have have worked for myself although there is a learning curve on dose timing and proper application

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjvbee View Post
    Brood break , quickstrips, apigaurd and oxalic acid have have worked for myself although there is a learning curve on dose timing and proper application
    way to go sjv and you are right on the mark. Timing is the key
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