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    Default Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    So far I've been reluctant to switch over to any type of plastic foundation due to the the bees reluctance to draw them out. But on the other hand wiring frames is starting to become very boring to me. The ritecell foundation does interest me though. I've read that some of you paint another layer of wax on the surface and that it greatly helps the bees to draw it out. My question is, have any of you tried dipping ritecell foundation into a tub of melted wax to add another coating to it? Do you think it would coat all surfaces of the comb or hang around the slightly raised cells. Also I wondered if it would even come out any thicker than the original coating of wax. Maybe i could dip it several times. Thanks for any input.

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Dipping is overkill. Just roll the beeswax on with a small foam paint roller ......... In my experience in doing this, is the bees draw it into comb just as they would beeswax foundation.
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    What I have heard is that if the wax is hot enough to be liquid it will warp the frame when you dip it.

    I haven't done this myself, but friends tell me that they melt wax and keep it warm in a crock pot. They use a narrow paint roller dipped in the wax to paint a layer of wax onto the frame. They also make sure the frames are at room temperature. If the frames are cold the wax sets up on the roller I guess.

    Others w/ actual experience should be able to tell you more.
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Paint roller is the way to go. They draw them out just fine. Electric frying pan works well as a roller tray.
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Okay, a paint roller. I was under the impression everyone used a paint brush. Sounded messy
    Do any globs of wax remain that would leave some cells unusable or unrepairable to the bees.

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by dfortune View Post
    Do any globs of wax remain that would leave some cells unusable or un-repairable to the bees.
    Not if you do it right!
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by snl View Post
    Not if you do it right!
    Please explain. What's the right way. So far ive heard a foam paint roller with foundation at room temperature. What about wax temperature.

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Be sure to get the wax into the corners.
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Wax temp s/b just above melting point. I'm guessing right around 150 degrees. Too hot & you'll warp the frames.........
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Not too much wax on the roller. That's why I like the frying pan. Tilt it a little so there's a bare area and roll out the excess. Takes a little while to get the hang of it.
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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    I did a bunch of shamrock frames last year by dipping, and they worked fine.. Hotter the wax the thinner the coating. Frames were room temp and no warping.

    I am confused, all the ritecell I got is already coated??

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    Thankyou all for your advice. I'm definitely going to give this a try.

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    I ordered plasticell this year (prewaxed) and they are drawing it out fine right now without any other wax being applied.

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    i started using pierco prewaxed frames last year. i gave them a quick spray of sugar syrup and the bees drew them out with no problems. in my opinion the extra wax isn't needed.

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    I use a foam brush to coat my PF's. I tried a small foam roller with very poor results, but I admit that I bought the cheapest foam roller I could find. The brush works very well. -js

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    Default Re: Coating Plasticell: Looking for New Ideas

    try wearing a glove and use rag to apply wax . you can rub off thick spots of wax . a little extra on the outer edge the girls will use else were . I found that pre waxed do better with a little more wax . last year tried wax, precoated, then precoated with extra wax , put them side by side the extra waxed ones got comb built first every time .did this on 6 hives all the same . one other thing frames with the foundation corners cliped off they seemed to build out faster . good luck all

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