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  1. #1
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    Default Found my first Feral Hive Today

    I have been trying to locate this Feral hive since last May when they swarmed over my house. We put sugar water out when ever it got warm over the winter, some days they would hit it when it was only 45% out. I even marked several to time them so I knew they weren't over 3/4 mile away.

    Well it finely warmed up longer than 2 day's and I put out some hanging feeder's with a piece of comb. I put about 5 miles on the 4 Wheeler since 2:30 today traveling from ridge to ridge. After taking compass readings on were they were flying I transferred the headings to a map from Goggle Earth. So I had a good idea were they were. I went to the spot on my map and after listening and checking any tree of good size I was able to locate them. They are about 10' up coming out of a knot hole about 2". They are on my new neighbors property. (I just met them Friday evening they didn't know we were up here.) About a 1/2 mile away how the crow flies but about 1 1/2 driving by driveway's and road. They have given me permission to harvest them.I don't have any bees yet but I am getting 3 nukes started in my boxes by a fellow club member.

    I need to know if it is to soon to set up my Cleo Hogan Jr. trap? We don't have any trees in bloom yet but they may be tomorrow. We have lots of red buds and Oak getting ready to pop. I am located in the Nat. Forest so all we have is trees and more trees.

    Now I can start looking for the other 2 that have been hitting my feeders.

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    It sounds like great fun. I bet you felt fantastic when you found them.

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Hoot Owl Lane Bees Go ahead and set the trap up and get them used to coming and going through the trap. Then wait until the colony has had a chance to build up from the Winter, and a good honey flow is in progress. Then introduce the unsealed brood and start taking starts from the tree.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Cleo
    I don't have and drawn out frames or brood. Can I just put in some new foundation or should I just hang the empty box?
    I under stand you will be in our area next month!

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Adrian
    I was very happy. The first thing I did was Thank the LORD.
    Jim

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoot Owl Lane Bees View Post
    should I just hang the empty box?
    No, go ahead and put frames with foundation in the trap. Let them draw it out as they want to.

    After sealing all the entrances, the guard bees will move to the front of the trap. They will not likely draw on the foundation until a good flow starts, and then without brood, they may want to use it for surplus storage rather than a brood nest. With foundation only, you don't have to worry about wax moths or small hive beetles.

    The secret to get good starts, with the right mix of bees, is to add some unsealed brood. This normally starts them using the trap as a brood chamber, which is what you want them to do.

    Could you partner with a local beekeeper for a frame of unsealed brood. You get the first start for finding the tree, they get the second start for supplying the unsealed brood. After this first start, you will have drawn comb, and unsealed brood for future trapping. A good tree will yield 3 - 5 starts per year.

    Yes, I will be in Springfield, on the 23d of April. Looking forward to it.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Thank You
    We will get it set up tomorrow. I built several trap out units last year after contacting you about a hive at another neighbors that was 35' up. They didn't make it over the winter. I will try to post pictures.
    Jim

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    I'd be more inclined to just let the wild hive alone. Set up swarm traps around the area and collect 1 - 2 swarms per year from them.

    If they aren't hurting anything out in the woods, let them be and just harvest the swarms as they throw them.

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    [QUOTE= Set up swarm traps around the area and collect 1 - 2 swarms per year from them.[/QUOTE]

    Setting up swarm traps is hit or miss. You may catch them when they swarm, or you may not. Depends on whether they like/want your swarm box or not. With the trap, it is a sure thing.

    If you just take starts from the tree, and allow it to build back up, before taking the next start, you don't do any harm to the feral colony. In effect all you are doing is harvesting the excess which would likely swarm anyway. Difference is, the trap is a sure thing, catching swarms in swarm boxes is hit and miss, and requires extra boxes sitting around in the woods.

    It is just another management tool to increase your colony count.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    That is awesome!

    I have only seen one feral hive in my outdoor travels. Two years ago I took a week off from work was hiking the AT in CT. On the trail I came a cross a hive in a split of a maple tree at eye level right on the trail. It was a sight.
    "Someday we will look back and realize someone was right...and conveniently forget we were the ones that were wrong."

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    We got the harvest box up tonight. We used our two man hunting stand to set it on. The bee's were fanning at the entrance. but non flying as it was 55 degrees and slight drizzle. I put an entrance feeder on since it is going to get cool here. I will post pictures when we get them downloaded.
    Jim

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    What is a "Trap Out Unit". I had intended to put out some nucs with drawn comb and lemongrass as lure for swarms and don't know what a trap out unit is.

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Quote Originally Posted by oldrockbees View Post
    don't know what a trap out unit is.
    I am not sure there is any bee terminology as , "trap out unit". I could not find it referenced here, but I believe the writer was referring to the deep super used as the trap, and a transition that attaches to a tree, tank, wall, etc, to use to trap bees.

    Send me an e-mail cchoganjr@scrtc.com and I will send you the instructions (with photos of traps in progress) for the trap out system that I use, and that Hoot Owl Lane Bees referenced in the post above.

    Hope this is helpful.

    EDITED.... I did find the terminology, "trap out unit" in the post by Hoot Owl Lane Bees above.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Followup
    We had first installed the harvester with a top entrance I made for a Feral Hive we found last year about 35' up. (DIDN'T DO) I found out why it is important to tape all joints. The bees weren't going through the box. The first video shows the first setup. The second one is the best way to do it. The third explains how it works. We videoed the swap out but 20 min. is longer than you tub will allow. Our house is about 1/4 mile out& 500' up in line with the truck.

    http://youtu.be/LVwiz04euqc
    http://youtu.be/mq1Mh6dURio
    http://youtu.be/E2EAWoZbuLg

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleo C. Hogan Jr View Post
    Setting up swarm traps is hit or miss. You may catch them when they swarm, or you may not. Depends on whether they like/want your swarm box or not. With the trap, it is a sure thing.

    If you just take starts from the tree, and allow it to build back up, before taking the next start, you don't do any harm to the feral colony. In effect all you are doing is harvesting the excess which would likely swarm anyway. Difference is, the trap is a sure thing, catching swarms in swarm boxes is hit and miss, and requires extra boxes sitting around in the woods.

    It is just another management tool to increase your colony count.

    cchoganjr
    Do you have any drawings or web site I could see the bee trap? I have "caught two swarms with boxes but my neighbor cut down his bee tree last winter and brought it to my house. I was going to try taking a chain saw and cutting it up and trying to house the bees but decided I might kill the queen and decided not to bother them but maybe catch a swam from them later. The bee trap sounds interesting? The tree is 20 feet long and 18-24 " across and is laying horizonally 20 yards from my "boughten" bees that I got last year. They seem to be doing good and are busy bringing in pollen and nectar. Appreciate a web site or picture of the bee trap. Thank you and God bless!

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    I have links on my last post showing our set up.
    You can contact Cleo C. Hogan and he can send you more info as he is the one who came up with the idea.
    Good Luck
    Jim

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    I think Cleo is on vacation for a few days. W.T. Kelley sells his "official" version:
    https://kelleybees.com/Products/Deta...31333733373336

    It's not too hard to make one from a nuc, a deep, or (my design) a medium super with a 1 x 4 rim added at the bottom.
    http://www.tsbeeshoney.com/1/archives/04-2012/1.html
    http://www.thebeeyard.org/trapping-o...ogan-bee-trap/

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Thanks, Hoot Owl, good luck with your bees. I am in Missouri also south of Chillicothe in north central MO. Never rained last year but things are really popping this year. Have had 13" of rain in the last few weeks!

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Providence Hills,... Send me an e-mail, cchoganjr@scrtc.com and I will send you the info.
    I can't attach the info on this forum.

    Yes it is easy to make your own trap.

    cchoganjr

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    Default Re: Found my first Feral Hive Today

    Luterra, just viewed your blog. Interesting. May have to try the trap. Now just have a couple of traps near the log in my yard. I caught two swams in boxes in the past two weeks. One of them might have swarmed from the log. not sure.

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