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  1. #1
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    Default What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    Here in NY lost close to 40 hives this winter.

    The only treatment that I practised this year was to mineral oil vaporize. Not sure if I'll do that again, though I am sure that I will not treat w/chems.

    I have plenty of equipment for a cpl hundred 10 frame & a cpl hundred 5 frame colonies.
    I can't say what caused the losses. Some starved (my fault), then many w/plenty of stores.
    Overwintered 5 frame nucs seemed to do better than 10 frame colonies....???

    With a balance of selling bees & honey the goal.

    What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    What precautions to take using equipment from losses?

    What's your advice for treating drawn frames to redeploy?
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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    You already know my answer. Raise enough nucs to replace whatever losses you have.

    Sell them?? Why would you sell them. They're worth more in your apiary than in your bank account.

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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    Michael, what do you think of spraying a 50/50 bleach solution on drawn frames from dead colonies.
    I don't expect to sell any now....hope to in future.

    What do you think about leaving colonies in 5 frame?

    With the resources I have I hope to raise queens this year.
    Rmns 1:16/Prv.3:5,6/ Beegan BK May 09/ Zone 5b
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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    yes, nuc your hives out, adopt the two queen single hive arrangement and make some honey to boot.

    but more so on your point of losses, you should also adopt a disease monitoring program so that you know whats up in your hives. Lots of mite control options other than chem if you choose, especially if your nucing
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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    Ian,

    If there is ONE (amoungst many) place I need to educate myself @ it would be pest monitoring. I did the vaporizing on all my 10 frames because "can't hurt". maybe I over did it. Having read alot of the posts I would say that I am in the average for losses. I only worked w/a master beekeeper for 2 years till he died, haven't found anyone to take his place. I could use a mentor to help w/post mordem evaluations.

    Would like to hear your mite options.

    "two queen" tell me more! many details please (links). have read some not well versed about it.
    Rmns 1:16/Prv.3:5,6/ Beegan BK May 09/ Zone 5b
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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    I was just reading on Bee-l about this FGMO fogging and how it doesnt work. Personally I have never used it, but I think I will stick with traditional tried and true methods.

    Make sure you dont have any foul brood in your used equipment. Other than that split away and get back your Apiary. Feed them light syrup once you start splitting.

    Good luck. Maybe this year isnt the year for selling NUCs. It happens.

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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    does anyone use the 'bartenders helper' to clean contaminated frames?

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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    I'm with a little bit of O.C.D., so I've been wondering what exactly is being defined as "contaminated frames". Were they sneezed on, coughed on, dropped in the dirt, or what?

    For me frames/honeycombs are already quite fully inoculated with living organisms (parasitic, symbiotic, or probiotic) and many different types, also with chemical contaminants, both natural and artificial, from everywhere the forager bees travel. So, "contaminated" would be an entirely subjective, and not generically easily defined concept.
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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    Overwintered 5 frame nucs seemed to do better than 10 frame colonies....?
    No, the stronger the bee population the better for them to grow and cover their
    broods. The concentration of bees is better than the amount of frame space in a colony.
    Too much empty space will have other issue like pests, etc. But if you have 10 frame all covered with bees then it is fine too. Five frame is better to concentrate the bees to keep warm and better to defend the hive.

    What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses? My plan is to raise my own queen using the OTS notching method. I have gentle queen so want to keep those gentle genetic here. And then make splits in proportion to the number of queens that hatched. They will be in nucs because of number of reasons for better management.

    What precautions to take using equipment from losses? Diseases are a major concern because you never know what cause the losses in the first place. Only safe after testing had been done to make sure. So proceed with caution here!

    What's your advice for treating drawn frames to redeploy? This depends on what is the issue/problem at hand. If no issue then can reuse as is. If problem found then rather not use them if the problem is unknown. Make sense to not recontaminate the existing new hive. At least, I think the wooden ware can be recycle if disinfected first. Plastic wooden ware I am not sure.

    I have not use bleach on the combs yet. But thinking it is too much chemical use inside the hive already. And not sure if
    bleach in whatever concentration can kill off any diseases that your hive equipment have.

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    Default Re: What's your plan to rebuild your hive #'s from winter losses?

    my definition of Contaminated frames = vermin getting into them (rodents/ raccoons / etc) possibly leaving fecal matter in the frames or a hive w/ dead brood killed by virus / bacteria / fungal infestation

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Clemens View Post
    I'm with a little bit of O.C.D., so I've been wondering what exactly is being defined as "contaminated frames". Were they sneezed on, coughed on, dropped in the dirt, or what?

    For me frames/honeycombs are already quite fully inoculated with living organisms (parasitic, symbiotic, or probiotic) and many different types, also with chemical contaminants, both natural and artificial, from everywhere the forager bees travel. So, "contaminated" would be an entirely subjective, and not generically easily defined concept.

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