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  1. #1
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    Default Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    Looking for some advice. I have a very weak medium lang hive--broodnest size of 1/3 of two med frames. They are having a hard time getting going while my other hive has started to explode the last few days. This weak hive was a swarm from my original hive and queen is most likely the original so going into her third year. Didn't treat for mites either so they were also weakened to start--large hive originally (broodnest filled one med) but winter bees died off fast in Jan.

    So this is my plan: pinch the queen and add a package w/ a hygienic queen. I still have plenty of capped honey and empty drawn frames for them so I'm not too worried about the cool weather (pollen patty on top too).

    Question: can I just pinch the queen 24hrs prior to adding the package and add the package directly w/ the caged queen or should I do a newspaper combine w/ the weak hive and package?

    If latter I assume I put the weak hive on top of the hived package--which would still be on fully drawn comb w/ stores. Should have an upper entrance for the weak hive as well, correct?

    Thanks all.

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    I would pull the old queen and just shake the package on to the weak hive. Everybody will be disorganized and they won't fight much. Put your queen cage in with the candy exposed and release her in three days if she isn't already out. No problem if you have the old queen out. That would be the least disruption I think.

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    Sounds good. Will probably spritz w/ a little 1:1 w/ HBH so they are busy cleaning sugar off themselves as well. Need to scrape the frames down too so this will add to the confusion in the weak hive.

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    Add some vanilla to your Surup. It will mask there smell add shouldn't fight at all.
    David

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    Just in case I would wait a few days before pinching the old queen.
    Who knows what will happen after the new queen is released. So
    hopefully they will all like each others.

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    beepro, who knows what would happen? If both queens are running around at the same time eventually there is going to be a fight, and then who knows what would happen, you're right about that. John

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    Why not install the package above a closed inner cover on top of the original colony, allowing both queens to lay for a period of time before you unite.

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    Default Re: Queen replacement and package addition at same time

    Take the original queen,two or 3 frames of bees/ food
    Place in a Nuc in the original hive position.Add the
    package and queen as you planned.
    This way you have a back up,also the old queen may
    explode in the laying dept.she may have been holding out?
    Then you will have a nice Nuc

    IMHO more is better

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