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    Default Unplaned lumber for hives

    Any problem with using unplaned 1" thick bandsawn white pine for hive bodies and
    and other wooden ware ?

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    Not as long as it is properly dried so it doesn't shrink on you after assembly. If you are not sure, stack and sticker it in a barn loft for 12 months before you use it.
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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    Unplaned lumber is not a problem as long as you make sure that the interior dimensions of your hive bodies match existing standards.

    But, if the"unplaned" lumber is also "not dried", then a different set of issues arise. Lumber that is not kiln dried or not air dried will shrink as it dries to equilibrium moisture, and hive bodies will likely not be the same dimensions after the lumber dries.

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    Its my own lumber harvested and cut about 6 years ago, was covered and stickered a few years before
    i had a chance to bring it into the barn.
    Couldn't really see the extra bother of planing the stuff if its not necessary even though
    i do have a planer.

    I made up a hive stand and outer cover today with it using my store bought hive
    for inside dimension.

    I think in the future i will make my own hives out of bandsawn pine. Rustic !

    Thanks for the input

    Newbee

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    I just moved my unplaned fir from the barn to the wood shop however I think I am going to plane mine

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    One benefit of not planing it down is that every mm you don't shave off also doesn't knockoff R value.
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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    As was stated earlier, the interior dimensions are important in a bee hive. Proper "bee space" most be maintained or they either will fill it with bur comb or not have room to travel in the hive.

    The problem that you may find with unplaned lumber is not that it is thicker than planed lumber, but that it is not consistent. The thickness of each individual board may vary along the length of the board. If you can work with that, you will be okay. You may want to consider planing one side just to get consistent thickness.
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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    I have several boxes I built from unplaned poplar. I did make sure all interior dimensions were to plans. I used lap joints and Gorilla Glue and screwed them together with deck screws. I caulked all cracks and gave them two coats of latex paint. My bees seem fine in them and I have 100% survival of my hives so far this winter.
    The lumber was cut on my farm so it was cheap, just the cost of sawing, .20 bd. ft.. I'm not sure I would use it if it wasn't cheap.

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    it is not just the sawer. i have seen a couple of mills that were so poor a setup and worn out that they would not cut straight. it was simple to cure, i walked away.

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    Quote Originally Posted by mathesonequip View Post
    it is not just the sawer. i have seen a couple of mills that were so poor a setup and worn out that they would not cut straight. it was simple to cure, i walked away.
    You are correct.. A worn out mill will not cut true.

    Other issues include poorly sharpened and set bands
    Dull bands
    de-tempered bands.
    Sawyer in a hurry.
    Dirty logs.
    Foreign objects in logs.
    Log movement due to not sawing to grain or off centered pith.
    I am sure other factors can contribute as well, but a good sawyer knows how to fix most of them and culled boards should be few and far between... I always turned them into stickers.
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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    Depending on what you are cutting, uniform rough sawn lumber is pretty much a pipe dream. You may get uniform thickness in plantation grown, properly thinned hardwoods, but naturally grown trees are NEVER uniform, and the wood quite often moves while being sawn. Ever watched a 12" flitch bow while you cut boards off it? I have, many times.

    Not only that, only perfectly quarter sawn lumber every shrinks uniformly while drying, and even then will sometimes go wonky.

    Wavy bandsawn lumber is a result of improperly sharpened or tensioned bands or over-feeding (just like a small bandsaw re-sawing, any excess pressure results in the blade being forced off true), but even then those little portable bandsaws are nowhere near rigid enough to keep that small band from following the grain. Just the nature of the beast. Large stationary bandsaws can wander, too, I've found.

    Naturally, a decent sawyer should be on the lookout for this kind of stuff, and saw appropriately. If you have a flitch that won't saw clean one way, flip it. Keep the log set so that the grain is as straight as possible down the log, etc. Helps a lot to know what you are doing, and keeping in mind the nature of wood, a skilled sawyer will get you much better lumber than someone who's sloppy or careless!

    My brother had a FoleyBelsaw circle mill for more than 20 years, sawed quite a bit of lumber on it. Learned a lot, too, the hard way.

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    No need to hit the 3/4" size , we have alot of supers so old that they measure 13/16" thick.

    Crazy Roland

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    Default Re: Unplaned lumber for hives

    Thanks Peter and Matheson,

    We suspected the culprit to be stress in the log. Unfortunately, with the way we got the logs, we were not able to see the trees standing except for when we walked a while to estimate the lumber out there. These trees have not been managed at all, so they are by no means perfect saw logs for the most part.

    It was crazy to see, as we cut and flipped the logs.... When they got down to 8" the whole thing bowed up off the mill, even with the hydraulic clamp holding it in place.

    I just set those boards aside to make birdhouses or planters or whatever out of them.

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