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    Default Beekeepers suing EPA

    A group of beekeepers and environmentalists announced today that they are suing the Environmental Protection Agency in an effort to curb the use of insecticides they say are decimating bee populations and putting our nation’s food supply in jeopardy.

    The four beekeepers and five environmental and consumer groups involved in the lawsuit, including the Pesticide Action Network, Center for Food Safety and Beyond Pesticides, say the link between neonicotinoids—a nicotine-like class of pesticides that include clothianidin and thiamethoxam—and bee die offs is crystal clear. And they claim the EPA acted outside the law when it allowed for “conditional registration” of their use. Syngenta and Bayer Crop Science are the primary manufacturers of clothianidin and thiamethoxam.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    I got the same notification from "Catch the Buzz".

    I wish them luck. They are taking on a bureaucracy that is backed by Monsanto.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    here in Ontario Syngenta is playing bee health commercials on the radio saying they are working towards helping maintain bee health and if youre interested in bee health to work with them

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Bees don't stand a chance against the Pols and the Chemical guys!
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Maybe they should get their facts straight and ally themselves with beekeepers that don't have a lot of baggage and integrity issues. All it does is draw attention for the wrong reasons, serving as a distraction from real issues and facts.
    Some people will believe anything.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee_Bee View Post
    Maybe they should get their facts straight and ally themselves with beekeepers that don't have a lot of baggage and integrity issues. All it does is draw attention for the wrong reasons, serving as a distraction from real issues and facts.
    Some people will believe anything.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    "The coalition, represented by attorneys for the Center for Food Safety (CFS), seeks suspension of the registrations of insecticides that have repeatedly been identified as highly toxic to honey bees, clear causes of major bee kills and significant contributors to the devastating ongoing mortality of bees known as colony collapse disorder (CCD)."

    The above was copied from the article from Catch the Buzz.

    Notice it says "repeatedly identified as"...

    I would be interested in seeing the sources of this identification.

    It seems some don't get it. Bayer is not being sued. The EPA is. And they are not being sued for neonics. they are being sued for failure to protect pollinators. Not nearly as hard a case to make. So I am wondering just what 'Facts" the above have in mind.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    If it weren't for suing the EPA, there would be times when we didn't have a functional administration. They're charged with performing certain tasks, and they ought to perform them and that includes properly testing and certifying pesticides. If they didn't do the work then they should be sued regardless of the product or its effects. This is government being accountable to citizens and laws.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Except in the real world that is not how it works with government regulatory organizations. They get their funding from the industry that they are regulating. I doubt if the EPA, FDA, FCC, etc. has the ability to perform the test required. That money has to come from industry. The system works pretty well until you have a monopoly or a company that is so large that they become a dictator. If the Monsanto's and Bayer's of the world were chopped up like the phone company was we would have far less problems with protecting citizens. Competition would keep them honest and they wouldn't have the influence that they do on our government.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Love the opening sentence:

    U.S. environmental regulators are failing to protect honeybees and their role in pollinating important food crops, and should immediately suspend use of some toxic insecticides tied to the widespread deaths of the bees, a lawsuit filed on Thursday charges.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Quote Originally Posted by Acebird View Post
    Except in the real world that is not how it works with government regulatory organizations. They get their funding from the industry that they are regulating. I doubt if the EPA, FDA, FCC, etc. has the ability to perform the test required. That money has to come from industry. The system works pretty well until you have a monopoly or a company that is so large that they become a dictator. If the Monsanto's and Bayer's of the world were chopped up like the phone company was we would have far less problems with protecting citizens. Competition would keep them honest and they wouldn't have the influence that they do on our government.

    Ok. So what is stopping us from putting real scientists in the EPA who can design testing parameters which would give us real safety information, to be handed off to the chemical companies to carry out the actual research and publication?

    "Here's what you need to prove in order for us to allow you to market this chemical." instead of ... "Whatever research will cost you the least and give you the most favorable conditions is good enough."

    We need chemicals to be tested for long term low-dose toxicity, multi-generational testing to determine reproductive impacts and genetic damage, as well as acute toxicity (which is usually the only thing required).

    The EPA doesn't have the resources to carry out this research, but the conglomerate chemical companies do. They might not if they were broken up into smaller companies.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Companies stand to gain nothing by putting a faulty product out in the market place. The bad PR as well as laibility issues require that they do a reasonably good job of testing products. Nothing can be tested to the point where there is absolutely no risk, especially when you are dealing with something as variable as a natural ecosystem. No amount of testing will satisfy certain populations of green types who would like to see all chemicals banned. I have my hives adjacent to large areas of corn and soybean production and those hives fare as well as the ones in town. I think contaminated comb from our own chemicals has a lot to do with our problems. Clean up your own front yard before you go pointing at your neighbors.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Quote Originally Posted by hilreal View Post
    Companies stand to gain nothing by putting a faulty product out in the market place.
    Except money.

    Quote Originally Posted by hilreal View Post
    I think contaminated comb from our own chemicals has a lot to do with our problems.
    Wouldn't it be nice if there were unbiased research to tell us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by davo View Post
    They might not if they were broken up into smaller companies.
    You could bust up Bayer and Monsanto 10 times and still have plenty of research funding.
    It is not that the EPA doesn't have scientist or highly educated people, the EPA has no reason to develop a marketable item. That is what companies do. The EPA is suppose to verify and approve that what a company did to develop a safe product is correct. There is a lot of trials and misfires along the way in developing ANY product. You want a company to do this not a government agency.
    The only pit fall to this not working well is size or power where the company is "too big to fail" for instance. Then it dictates to the government and everything that was safe with the system now isn't.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Wouldn't it be nice if there were unbiased research to tell us?
    Search a little, it's out there and has been posted on this site multiple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee_Bee View Post
    Maybe they should get their facts straight and ally themselves with beekeepers that don't have a lot of baggage and integrity issues. All it does is draw attention for the wrong reasons, serving as a distraction from real issues and facts.
    Some people will believe anything.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    This is from Randy Oliver's site:


    Germany: “As expected, the results show that pollen [from 210 hives sampled over 3 years] is contaminated with a plethora of chemical substances originating from the agricultural practice of using pesticides but also from the apicultural necessity of using acaricides… Accordingly, no relation between contamination of pollen and colony development or winter losses could be demonstrated in the course of the project although special emphasis was put into this aspect” [13].
    France: “Several cases of mortality of honey bee colonies (varying from 38 to 100%) were observed in France during the winter of 2005-6. In order to explain the causes of these mortalities, a case control study was conducted on a limited area, together with a larger survey in 18 other apiaries located in 13 sites over the entire country…No pesticide residues of agricultural origin were found in the samples of beebread, beeswax, honey and dead honey bees, with the exception of imidacloprid…found in one apiary [and] not considered to be able to cause honey bee acute mortality” [14].
    France: “A 3-yr field survey was carried out in France, from 2002 to 2005, to study honey bee … colony health in relation to pesticide residues found in the colonies… No statistical relationship was found between colony mortality and pesticide residues” [15].
    Italy: “The data obtained from the winter 2009-2010 inspections were used as the basis for chemical analyses on bee and wax samples, to test for residues of organophosphate, organochlorurate, carbamate and neonicotinoid pesticides, but no significant presence of these substances was detected” [16].
    Spain: “The present data [beebread samples from 12 apiaries] are in agreement with studies showing no negative effects of seed-treated crops. Some pesticide residues were found here, in particular several varroacides and insecticides, but no significant differences were observed between the different sunflower crop samples and those from the sites of wild vegetation. This fact not only implies environmental contamination but also supports the theory that, most of the time, inadequate [read that “unapproved”] treatments are the main source of residues that might weaken bee colonies and make them more sensitive to other factors” [17].
    Spain: “This study was set out to evaluate the pesticide residues in stored pollen from honey bee colonies and their possible impact on honey bee losses in Spain. In total, 1,021 professional apiaries were randomly selected… A direct relation between pesticide residues found in stored pollen samples and colony losses was not evident accordingly to the obtained results” [18].
    Europe (thorough review): “Currently there is no clear evidence from field based studies that exposure of colonies to pesticides results in increased susceptibility to disease or that there is a link between colony loss due to disease and pesticide residues in monitoring studies” [19].
    USA (CCD Descriptive Study): “This study found no evidence that the presence or amount of any individual pesticide occurred more frequently or abundantly in affected apiaries or colonies” [20].
    USA (2012 CCD Progress Report): “When pesticides are viewed in aggregate on a national scale, residues of pyrethroids …pose a threefold greater hazard to bee colonies than neonicotinoids, based on mean and frequency of detection in pollen samples and relative acute toxicity. The synthetic pyrethroid detected in the highest quantity and frequency in honey bee colonies that is used by beekeepers to control Varroa mite is tau fluvalinate” [21].
    USA (Stationary Hive Project) : “We did not find any relationship with any of our measures of pesticide contamination and colony loss rate at the apiary level for either 2009 or 2010” [22].

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Apparently they have enough facts, at least enough to bring them to court.

    Imagine what this will mean if they are found liable.

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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerPlanter View Post
    Apparently they have enough facts, at least enough to bring them to court.

    Imagine what this will mean if they are found liable.
    Who's being brought to court? EPA This is nothing but a publicity grab. This has nothing to do with actually proving Monsanto or Bayer have done diddle as the facts still haven't been proven.
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    Default Re: Beekeepers suing EPA

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee_Bee View Post
    Maybe they should get their facts straight and ally themselves with beekeepers that don't have a lot of baggage and integrity issues. All it does is draw attention for the wrong reasons, serving as a distraction from real issues and facts.
    Some people will believe anything.
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