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    Default Electric Embedder

    I have an electric embedder that appears to have stopped working. I opened the box and tested the transformer and got 0V across the terminals. I went out and purchased a new 16V doorbell transformer from Menards: http://www.menards.com/main/electric...293-c-6464.htm

    I installed this and hooked back up the embedding tool, tried it out, but I couldn't get the wire to warm up to embed into the wax. I tested between the 2 terminals and I am getting current, so that shouldn't be the problem. Does anyone have any ideas?

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Perhaps it's not rated for enough current. If I remember correctly, it takes a couple amps. I had an ammeter hooked up to my embedder setup once. But I just use a 12 volt battery.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Ah, you might be correct. This one is rated for 16V, 10VA. Which, if my electronics math is correct, is only .625A.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Yes, the transformer you linked to above produces 10 watts, or about .625 amps at 16 volts. The transformer that Kelley sells for this purpose produces 2 amps. So, you need more current to heat the wire.



    https://kelleybees.com/Products/Deta...3335&grouped=1

    Any similar Class 2 transformer that produces 2 amps should work. However, make sure it is a transformer. Don't get fooled by a modern power supply encased in plastic that may not be
    a true transformer.
    Graham
    USDA Zone 7A Elevation 1400 ft

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Looks like we have figured it out.

    I have tried several types, and I keep going back to the good ol' brute force and big amps of a 12 volt battery.

    Have fun!

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Thanks. I'll give that a try. I'm hoping to pickup something locally to save some money/shipping fees.

    Worst case, I'll just wire in a 12V battery to the embedder and use it like that.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Just to clarify, the battery is used to embed four horizontal wires at once. Fewer and it gets real hot real fast.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    As tim allen would say....more power hu hu hu......isn't "angry hippie " an oxymoron ?....i' m just an "old hippie "

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Quote Originally Posted by honeybeebee View Post
    isn't "angry hippie " an oxymoron ?
    Yes - my wife was mad at me one time and said "you're the angriest hippie I know. The name stuck. We now call our place "Angry Hippie Farms". We get lots of comments about the name and it causes it to be memorable.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    I use a car battery charger for wire embedding. It is better than a battery because it is current-limited whereas a battery can put out almost infinite current. Get one in the range of 1.5 to 2 amps - looks like Walmart has them for around 20 bucks. Lower amperages can be used if embedding one or two wires at a time instead of all four. I usually do one wire at a time when using cross-wired foundation, as the cross wires create alternate conductive paths when doing multiple wires at once.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    Thanks to all for the information. I ended up picking up a 12.6V 3A transformer from Radio Shack. Worked great.

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    Default Re: Electric Embedder

    For those of you wiring frames, there are 4 holes in a deep frame for wires. Do you need all 4? I have always done all 4, but am being told I need to loosen up a little and only do the 2 in the middle. That would be a lot faster. Has anyone done that and regretted it?

    Chris

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