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    Default New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    "The Business Side of Beekeeping" has the Commercial beekeeping and pollination forum, but no option for sideliners and people who keep bees for money but also have another job which provides most of their income.

    I know there is a decent proportion of users of this site who do just that. Things that differentiate them from "commercial" beekeeper include the following: They do not make all their income from bees. They typically sell direct to consumers rather than in bulk or wholesale. Some of them do travel for pollination, but many of them don't. They often spend major portions of time at events like Farmer's Markets. Their equipment like extractors and trucks are smaller in scale.

    I was wondering if I could get some sort of consensus on whether a new forum geared toward discussion of information and methods of these people would be a good idea. I don't want to criticize the commercial forum, but rather offer another similar forum for people who do business but don't fit in with the commercial crowd.
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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I think that's a very good idea Mr. Parker. I'm a very small scale keeper who is looking to move into being a sideliner. I have great respect for the large scale commercial keepers, but I have no intentions of hauling bees around the country, or to sell honey by the barrel. I would love to learn from those who make enough from their bees to make their operation at least self sustaining while maintaining a full time non-bee related job. I'll still spy on the big guys, to make sure I don't miss out on what's heading our way.

    Dan

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I like it.
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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    i also fall into that category, and i can see the merit in providing a forum in which the unique considerations of the sideliner could be discussed. good idea sol.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    From Wikipedia (truncated)

    Most beekeepers are hobby beekeepers. These people typically work or own only a few hives. Their main attraction is an interest in ecology and natural science. Honey is a by-product of this hobby. As it typically costs several hundred American dollars to establish a small apiary and dozens of hours of manipulation and work with hives and honey equipment, hobby beekeeping is seldom profitable outside of Europe, where the lack of organic bee products sometimes causes buoyant demand for privately produced honey.

    A sideline beekeeper attempts to make a profit keeping bees, but relies on another source of income.

    Commercial beekeepers control hundreds or thousands of colonies of bees.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    +1

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    Im with ya on this idea Solomon, I am also going sideliner status this year, but like a "sideliner" my main income comes from my regular job. I would like to swap ideas with those that are current sideliners and have the same mentality. I do get a lot of help and ideas from commercial guys, and I am very thankful for that, but some of the stuff is not obtainable to me at this time.

    I am hopeful of a new forum designed for sideliners and hopeful sideliners!! If need be, I can help moderate it as well.
    Coyote Creek Bees

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    In some ways I am in. But seeing I use my phone for most of my reading. I ask how many forms do we really need? There are some I would like to go away.
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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I agree with smokepole. Consolidate some of the unpopular or infrequently visited forum's and add the Sideliners.
    "Someday we will look back and realize someone was right...and conveniently forget we were the ones that were wrong."

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    i always use the 'what's new' button at the top, rather than look at each forum individually.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    i always use the 'what's new' button at the top, rather than look at each forum individually.
    So do I. I think the concept is good but I would be concerned it will open up a whole new argument about who meets the definition and who dosent. I am not sure what would be posted there that isn't already posted in the regular forum.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    Quote Originally Posted by squarepeg View Post
    i always use the 'what's new' button at the top, rather than look at each forum individually.
    You can look at each forum individually? Just partially kidding as it is honestly something I very rarely do. I don't think I've ever really noticed that "What's new" button, either. I generally just go through "Recent Forum Threads" on the homepage. That's enough to keep me busy. -js

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I can see the value in it. I am cautious about posting questions on the big boy's commercial forum, last year I ran 18 colonies for production, yet there are questions I have about efficiencies that don't seem that appropriate anywhere else. I also notice that the section "Bee Forum" gets so much traffic that questions don't stay on page one very long; Once you fall off page one you are doomed...

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    Adrian: Maybe this isn't the majority view but I don't have a problem with questions and some discussion by non commercials just so you don't lose sight of the fact that the forum is designed for discussion about making your primary living off of your bees. If you choose to dispense advice on there based on a very limited sample and try to apply it to a commercial scale then I think you are missing the whole point of the forum.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    Adrian: Maybe this isn't the majority view but I don't have a problem with questions and some discussion by non commercials just so you don't lose sight of the fact that the forum is designed for discussion about making your primary living off of your bees. If you choose to dispense advice on there based on a very limited sample and try to apply it to a commercial scale then I think you are missing the whole point of the forum.
    as always, you make good points jim.

    in the same way, someone trying to have a profitable sideline business would have issues and concerns somewhat different than someone making their living at it, or someone doing it just for fun.

    on the other hand, most anything can be and is discussed on the main forum. likewise, i have learned a lot by interacting on the commercial forum and have not felt unwelcome there.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I like it.

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I use the H&R Block software and it will walk you through Schedule F.


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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    I'm in. Running around 30 hives this year for production, bought a small honey house load of equipment last year in one fell swoop. Very different as far as extracting operations from 4 hives to 30 : ). I have a couple of threads I could start when it's up. Heading into 2nd year as a sideliner.

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    How did I miss this thread? Please please please Barry, give us a sideliner forum! My intention is to build up to sideliner status over the next few years and while the commercial forum is a great resource (most of you commercial folks rock!) there is the feeling sometimes that sideliners are looked down upon in that forum (whether true or not, that's how it seems sometimes). It would be nice to have a forum where I can feel free to ask specific sideline questions that would get lost in the general forum areas and be pooh-poohed by some in the commercial area.

    Thanks Barry for providing this wonderful resource!
    Brian

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    Default Re: New Forum Idea: Sideliners

    Great idea. I took over the family sideline business eight years ago and am always looking for advice. The beekeeping literature available is mainly focused on hobby beekeepers or the science of bees. It is always helpful to get ideas of how to run a sideline business more effectively.

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