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    Lightbulb Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    Hi,

    I'm currently in the process of building a Tanzanian top bar hive fit for deep frames. It will fit either 24 or 30 deep frames, not sure what size would be best. Does anyone else have experiences building a top bar hive that fits lang frames, if so how is it working? How well do you guys think it would work? Any recommendations or tips on how to proceed?

    Here's the layout I've planned out

    -Use deep lang frames with wax foundations
    -Use red cedar for construction (0.75" thick)
    -Not sure if I should include a inner cover or just build one outer cover.
    -6 inch long 3/8 entrance on the bottom side of the hive

    So what do you think?

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    i have no working knowledge of this, but I would build it big and makea movable division board so you can adjust the hive cavity as the colony grows. Af for your other questions, i have opinions, but they aren;t based on anything substantial, so I'll simply skip typing them. hopefully others can be more helpful

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    >I'm currently in the process of building a Tanzanian top bar hive
    >Use deep lang frames with wax foundations

    You are not building a topbar hive, you are building a Langstroth long hive or horizontal hive.

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    You are not building a topbar hive, you are building a Langstroth long hive or horizontal hive.[/QUOTE]
    Agreed...


    Its also not very pratical. Neighbor here has tried teh same thing several years running. doesn't work worth a dang. broodnest stays the same. honey is no better than a traditional hive, and they are a pain to move or work

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    It never ceases to amaze me how someone can generate an opinion based on someone elses limited experience. Their are alot of beekeepers using long hives very successfully. In all parts of the country. Alot of them that have in the past or continue to run both say that the long hives are their best producers. Sure they are not a readily movable commercial hive. Not all of us move our hives. For every disadvantage they have their own advantages. I to am building some long hives for this season. I'm building three different styles. I don't move my hives, and I don't sell my honey commercially. I'm a hobbiest that just enjoys beekeeping. There is alot of really good info on several styles of long hives on the web. Plus the forums are invaluable. They have tons of great info. Good luck and have fun with your bee's.

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    Didn't mean to put a damper on.... But it also amazes me how many people want to reinvent a simple wheel...... You can build all the styles you want and have a blast. but excluders, and covers and bottom boards etc won't fit or work... and when you go to resell (if you should in your life) then other beeks will have to be as oddly inclined, or its junk. If the percived advantages were real, then we would love to see the data and we would all switch....

    Feel free to experiment, just remember when someone ask others for their opinions, thats what they will get.....My neighbor runs about 30 hives, and hes experimented for years with doubles and long hives and supering and it never fails the comments are the same......nothing good, just issues. Just Passing on the experinces of someone whos been there as the poster requested.

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    > and hes experimented for years with doubles and long hives and supering and it never fails the comments are the same......nothing good, just issues.

    Well, if he has been experimenting with long hives for years, then obviously he is getting something out of it. That something may simply be just the satisfaction of doing (or trying) a technique that is different than the norm. It also indicates that he is not satisfied with traditional Lang hives.
    Graham
    USDA Zone 7A Elevation 1400 ft

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    I would suggest that you consider having inner covers that cover 8 frames each. So three inner covers using 24 frames. Then you can add a comb honey super during the main flow. Have an empty nuc box ready for relieving congestion. They can be used for increase or for sale. It's also helpful to connect with a local queen producer.

    In the fall you will need to reduce the colony down to 10 or 12 frames using what honey combs you can without moving any of the brood out. If they are short of stores on the 10 or 12 frames you will need to make it up by feeding so that they will enter winter with 35 to 45 lbs of honey stores.

    You really need to make sure they have enough stores on these first frames where they can easily access it over the winter.

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    According to Eva Crane, back in the late 1990s, the horizontal hive is the most popular in the world and always has been. It is still the traditional hive of Russia, Siberia, and the Scandinavian countries. It does require some management to get the brood nest to expand adequately and avoid swarming, but it's nothing that different from what I would do in a Langstroth except that I don't have to lift boxes to do it. You just feed empty frames into the brood nest. The problem is once they build a comb of capped honey that tends to be the limit of the brood nest. But you can expand the brood nest by putting empty frames in and they will make it larger and that will head off swarming.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beestopbarhives.htm#management
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beeshorizontalhives.htm

    If you don't do this, you will have excessive swarming and the hive will probably never be very productive. I have simply given a rough concept. For details you could read Les Crowder's book. He goes into more detail on how he manipulates the frames to keep the brood nest open:

    http://www.amazon.com/Top-Bar-Beekee...ds=les+crowder
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Default Re: Tanzanian Top Bar Hive with deep lang frames

    Vancity - Michael Bush has a page on horizontal hives:
    http://www.bushfarms.com/beeshorizontalhives.htm

    I have several KTBHs. All of them have top entrances, at the end, and have done well.
    Graham
    USDA Zone 7A Elevation 1400 ft

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