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    Default Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    I am looking to buy foundation mill embossing machine from China. I think I want to get 5.1 cell size but just wanted to double check with you all. All of my current foundation is ether from MannLake wax wired foundation for suppers and from Kelly Foundation for Deep Frames plain no wire. I measured the sell size and it is seems 5.1 but it is hard to say exactly when it goes less then millimeter.

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Graham
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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    so what is the size of the regular foundation from mannlake of Kelly? 5.1 or 5.4?

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Well, you didn't specify which Mann Lake or Kelley product you are asking about, but AFAIK industry "standard" foundation cell size is 5.4 mm. One reference:
    http://scientificbeekeeping.com/tria...ll-cell-combs/

    Note that what Michael Bush said at the link in post #2 is ...
    "Standard worker foundation 5.4 to 5.5mm"
    Graham
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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    i am using Wired Foundation from Mann http://www.mannlakeltd.com/beekeepin...ct/FN-261.html and Foundation for Deep Frames from Kelley https://www.kelleybees.com/Shop/38/H...or-Deep-Frames

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    https://goo.gl/photos/R5FuE9HXaMjoPC2n7

    here are some pictures of the first use. Not bad for the first time.

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Could you post a link to the source for your foundation mill?
    NW Alabama, 46 years, 24 colonies and growing, sideliner, treatment free since 2005, 14 frame square Dadant broodnest

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Quote Originally Posted by beesimex View Post
    so what is the size of the regular foundation from mannlake of Kelly? 5.1 or 5.4?
    Count 10 cells and measure it across the flats (that's 10 hexagonal holes and 11 cell walls) with a small metric rule. You can copy a rule onto paper, cut it, and tape it to a bent paperclip for a holder.

    If 10 cells measure 54 mm, its 5.4 mm cell size. If 10 cells are 51 mm, its 5.1 mm cell size. If 10 cells are 49 mm, it's 4.9 mm cell size.

    As is mentioned in Michael Bush's website, for which Graham provided the link in post #2, plastic combs are wider at the mouth than in the bottom of the cell. If your measurement is taken from the inside of the cell walls of the 10 cells (10 hexagon holes and 9 cell walls) it helps correct for the measurement in plastic foundations.
    Last edited by kilocharlie; 09-14-2016 at 12:52 PM.

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Usually the manuf specfs will provide the cell size info.
    The one I found is the large cell size 5.xx on. I want to find the
    small cell size machine. Seems like the only place that has it is from the
    European made ones.
    Don't mix foreign bees into a virgin hive. She might get balled 100% of the time! When will you ever learn, huh?

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Measuring 10 cell range makes the picture clear

    purchased foundation 5.4purchase foundation size 5.4.jpg

    my 5.1
    my foundation size 5.1.jpg

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Quote Originally Posted by beepro View Post
    Usually the manuf specfs will provide the cell size info.
    The one I found is the large cell size 5.xx on. I want to find the
    small cell size machine. Seems like the only place that has it is from the
    European made ones.
    yes, I did call and they told me 5.3 so when I place an order I specify 5.3 cell size. Now I see it is 5.1
    Now the question becomes how bees will react to the cell size difference?

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    I have mixed small cell and large cell 5.xx size in my hives.
    The bees will adapt to them no problem. Frankly, the .2 difference will
    not affect the bees that much. They will carry on as normal. Not much to concern about.
    I thought you like the larger cell for better honey extraction.
    I have big laying queens so even the SC they will lay in. And the large drone cells the
    bees will take care too.
    Don't mix foreign bees into a virgin hive. She might get balled 100% of the time! When will you ever learn, huh?

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion_power View Post
    Could you post a link to the source for your foundation mill?
    I got it from here
    http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...dation+machine

    it was part of the big order of all sorts of beekeeping equipment. I tested it and I am happy with its performance.
    If you are interested to buy it PM me and I will give you my price.

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    Default Re: Foundation Embossing / Mill Machine cell size

    >Now the question becomes how bees will react to the cell size difference?

    5.1mm is well in the range of natural comb. They will build it fine and use it fine no matter what size the bees are. I'd rather have 4.9mm but if you want to know the bees' reaction, 5.08mm was the standard size of foundation at the turn of the 20th century and was what was in almost all the books as what natural worker comb was.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF

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