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    Default Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

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    http://smallbluemarble.org.uk/wp-con...tober-2012.pdf

    The Royal Society of Wildlife Trusts (RSWT) operates as an umbrella body for the 47 individual Wildlife Trusts, covering the whole of the UK.

    ABSTRACT

    The Wildlife Trusts’ position

    1. There is a growing body of evidence that shows that neonicotinoids have a detrimental effect at sub-lethal doses on insect pollinators. For this reason, The Wildlife Trusts believe that until it
    can be categorically proven that neonicotinoids are not adversely impacting pollinator
    populations, and by extension ecosystem health, Government should adopt the precautionary
    principle and place a moratorium on their use on all outdoor crops.


    Background

    2. Since their introduction in 1991, there has been a growing concern that neonicotinoid

    insecticides could be harmful to insect pollinators at sub-lethal doses. Neonicotinoids have been cited as a contributory factor in Colony Collapse Disorder and recent research regarding their effects on bee foraging behaviour appears to substantiate this.

    3. Insect pollinators provide a vital ecosystem service to the UK’s farmers and fruit growers. It is estimated a collapse in pollinators would cost the UK economy c. £1.8 billion per year.


    4. Most plant communities rely on pollinating insects to reproduce and therefore spread (apart from species such as grasses which are wind pollinated). They also form a vital part of the food chain for other species such as birds, reptiles and amphibians. It follows that any insecticide that drastically reduces pollinator numbers will have effects beyond the agricultural sector and will ultimately affect the health and function of entire ecosystems.

    5. The registration documents/fact sheets for the individual neonicotinoids state that they are toxic or highly toxic to bees; either acutely, or chronically via pollen and nectar

    6. However, the manufacturers of the insecticides claim that neonicotinoids do not cause direct bee mortality at small doses. Defra is of the view that the body of evidence assessed so far supports the conclusion that neonicotinoids do not threaten honey bee populations if properly used. The Scottish Government, which has an advisory role in the UK’s pesticide regulation, is adopting the same approach.

    What are neonicotinoids?

    7. Neonicotinoids are a group of systemic insecticides routinely used in modern farming systems to help protect crops such as oilseed rape, maize, sugarbeet, sunflowers and potatoes from sap sucking insects such as aphids and other insect herbivores.

    8. In 1991, the first nicotine-based insecticide, imidacloprid (Gaucho®), was introduced into the USA by Bayer CropScience. It was licensed in Europe in 1994.

    9. Other neonicotinoids include clothianidin, acetamiprid, thiacloprid, thiamethoxam, dinotefuran and nitenpyram.

    How neonicotinoids work

    10. The active chemical works by interfering with the transmission of stimuli in an insect’s nervous system. More specifically, the chemical has an affinity for nicotinic acetylcholine receptors which are important neuro-transmitter Receptors. The binding of the chemical with these receptors results in paralysis and death of the insect. This neural pathway is more abundant in insects than mammals and birds making the chemical much more toxic to insects. However, research has shown that neonicotinoids do act on mammalian pathways and could damage human health

    11. Neonicotinoids bind irreversibly [to brain synapses], causing permanent damage. This damage is cumulative, meaning that toxic effects are produced in a time-dependent manner, no matter how low the
    level of exposure

    Wider environmental impacts

    12. Neonicotinoids could have wider environmental effects. They are water soluble and mobile in soil, where they are also very persistent. Research has shown major contamination of Dutch surface water with imidacloprid, which has been linked to declines in invertebrate-dependent bird species

    Colony Collapse Disorder

    18. Colony collapse disorder (CCD) is a recent, widespread phenomenon affecting honey bee
    colonies in the Northern hemisphere. It is characterized by a sudden disappearance of honey
    bees from the hive. The syndrome is mysterious in that the there are often no corpses found, and although there are often many disease organisms present, no outward signs of disease, pests, or parasites exist. Multiple causes of CCD have been proposed, such as combinations of pesticides, pathogens, parasites and natural habitat degradation.

    19. In some European countries, increasing concern regarding the connection between CCD and
    neonicotinoids has led to a partial or full ban of some neonicotinoids. As early as 1994, French beekeepers noticed that over the course of a few days, after sunflowers had bloomed, a
    substantial number of their hives would collapse because the worker bees flew off and never returned, leaving the queen and immature workers to starve. French beekeepers believed the
    root cause was the new insecticide Gaucho®, an imidacloprid based neonicotinoid which was
    being applied to sunflowers for the first time. It took French beekeepers nearly 10 years to get imidacloprid banned in France for use on sunflowers and maize. Other European countries that have a partial or full ban of some of neonicotinoid products include Germany, Italy and Slovenia.

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Thank you for posting this, Bbman.

    It seems there are a lot of beekeepers who don't know why they are losing their hives.
    And yet, the information is right here ...

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Once again allegations with no studies... this tune is getting old.

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by Stromnessbees View Post
    Thank you for posting this, Bbman.
    I not one to look for a tag team match, but I suspect we have one here.
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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    kinda suspecting it actually the same person.......

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by gmcharlie View Post
    kinda suspecting it actually the same person.......
    Well you three seem to have been working as a tag-team for years, real slick.

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    why are you posting these worthless bans that are not going to happen? Whats up with all your threads being about neonicotinoids??

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by Stromnessbees View Post
    It seems there are a lot of beekeepers who don't know why they are losing their hives. And yet, the information is right here ...
    I'm just now catching up on "these" threads.

    I favor letting members control how/where a thread goes and not step in and moderate it. Generally the fluff and nonsense in a thread get identified pretty quickly (a lot of sharp beekeepers here) and pointed out for what it is. I'm using your comment as an example. You have grouped all beekeepers who have lost hives together and in one broad swipe, concluded they all died due to neonicotinoids. When discussion is based on comments like that, it is seen as trolling, as is calling members you don't agree with, shills.

    I'm going to leave the existing threads on this topic alone, but I don't want to see the continuation of more threads started under this topic in this manner. If you have personal experience to share, fine, but we've seen enough of simply posting media content on the topic. I'm including borderbeeman in this as well.
    Last edited by Barry; 02-25-2013 at 05:13 PM. Reason: spelling
    Regards, Barry

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    ...
    You have grouped all beekeepers who have lost hives together and in one broad swipe, concluded they all died due to neonicotinoids. ...
    Point taken, Barry.
    I will admit that this reply was sent in a rush, I will be a bit more nuanced again in the future.

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Their freedom to express an opinion is balanced by your freedom to not listen/read what they have to say.

    BTW the only way that a ban like this won't 'get up' is if no-one does anything.

    I personally think there is way too little known about these chemicals in the LONG term to roll them out into wide spread use. That was the point originally of the provisional EPA approval option, to allow for small scale use to get some real world data. Not to go into full scale open market usage as happens now.

    So if you don't like what he has to say, don't read his posts.....

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by praxis178 View Post
    So if you don't like what he has to say, don't read his posts.....
    better point if we all stop posting to his threads, just maybe he/she/they will all go away.
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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    better point if we all stop posting to his threads, just maybe he/she/they will all go away.
    i'm taking it one step farther than that.

    fortunately, beesource has a function that i never dreamed of using before.

    click on:

    settings
    edit ignore list

    borderbeeman and stromnessbees are now on mine.

    (don't feel bad chaps, i'm probably on a few of those lists meself)
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Royal Wildlife Trusts Call for Ban on Neonicotinoids

    It's funny cuz they act like we're ignorant about it or something.... or we're too stupid to understand pesticides kills bees, ooops, I did it, cats out of the bag now, pesticides kill bees everyone, get them banned!!!

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