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  1. #41
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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    I'm a few hours south west of your county by car Cynthia. I saw the bees bringing in pollen yesterday. Although I could see putting the patties in earlier or not at all ... it makes sense what Vance said about waiting to see the bees bringing in Pollen. Every hive was bringing in Pollen yesterday but the bees practically ignored the open feeders I had out. I'm guessing they are rearing brood right now but if the cold weather keeps up they may not be able to get out to get enough pollen. Based on using the pollen patties as a necessity the cold weather may be making a good case to use them this year. Maybe someone could agree or disagree with my thinking on that? If they are raising brood and then it gets cold for a month is that a good reason to put the pollen patties on?
    I too have been reluctant to open the hives but will probably put some pollen pattie mixture up top here in the next little warm day when it is close to 50. If we over stimulate them with too much pollen we will need to keep an eye out for swarm cells when it warms up. I have less experience than others that have posted but I think I am giving an ok response to your question. I hope so. I wish you luck.

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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Hey Jeff, I wish I was getting pollen! Ground is still frozen here. I would start feeding patties for sure if you have pollen coming in. It will suppliment what the bees bring in and chances are in 21 days when the bees really need it, more will be available. Just don't let them run out of patty once you start feeding it. It is supposed to be close to 60 on Saturday here and I am really looking forward to a good look at my bees! Not going to unwrap to pull frames but would sure like to look. Maybe I will do a sample.

  3. #43
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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Perfect! 60 and a saturday sounds like a nice day is headed your way. Thanks for the tip Vance. It is going to be warmer where you live than it is here in PA. That is quite a flip from how it was last year. I hope you get a nice early spring there.
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  4. #44
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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    I mixed the Pollen Patty mixture and put it in a coffee can and then into the fridge. Is that an ok way to store it for a a week or do I have to go ahead and make the patties and freeze them?
    The instructions said to mix it and then it sit overnight. I mixed it last night. Last year I put it in cupcake wrappers. That worked well.
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    Last edited by virginiawolf; 02-26-2013 at 06:26 PM.

  5. #45
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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    >And that is exactly what I expressed in my first post. I will also disagree somewhat with the notion that adult bees do not benefit individually from consuming pollen or in this topic pollen supplements. Vitelogenin even in adult bees is the fountain of youth protein in bees.[/QUOTE]

    Rbees, very well said, this is why the pollen sub feeders have on avg a much lower winter loss rate.
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  6. #46
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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Hi Keith, I know that you are knowledgeable on pollen patties. What is the recipe to make the patties with your Pollen Substitue? Do you make them and freeze them until use? Do you have any tips for making them and storing the mixture or the patties? I just mixed some and thought maybe you could teach me a good pattie making technique.

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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    this is why the pollen sub feeders have on avg a much lower winter loss rate.
    In the age of two strains of mites...and the pathogens they vector...two tyes of nosema, hive beetles and who knows what that will come down the pipe. Our girls need every advantage they can get.

    I'm not joking here, but ever since I've started feeding pollen supplements starting late January, my winter losses are for all practical purpose at pre-mite levels.

    I typically sell 30 to 40 five frame overwinter nucs, and I checked a few last weekend and they already have 2-2 1/2 frmaes of brood of all ages.

  8. #48
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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Can you share your method of placing it in the hives please?

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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Bush View Post
    Rearing brood too early is my primary cause of losses in the winter.
    ?? I don't understand the connection.

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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    They run out of honey perhaps and it isn't warm enough for the bees to forage yet so they starve. I'm guessing.

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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Quote Originally Posted by virginiawolf View Post
    They run out of honey perhaps and it isn't warm enough for the bees to forage yet so they starve. I'm guessing.
    Aaa, that makes sense. I read it as "rearing brood too early (in the spring) is my primary cause of losses in the (following) winter.

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    Default Re: When to add pollen patty ?

    Quote Originally Posted by virginiawolf View Post
    Can you share your method of placing it in the hives please?
    Not at all.

    I like the product that Dadant sells...Beepro to me seems to course. I mix it with heavy syrup, a little canola oil and add a little Honeybeesnakeoil. For the double deeps, I simply split the boxes in two and add a good three pound pancake in the center. If the cluster is still ifor the most part in the bottom box, I'll carve out a two in circle for communication. If the bees are in the top box, I'll invert on the top frames and add a sheet of wax paper between the lid and patty.

    The canola oil not only serves to increase fat content, but also keeps things from drying out. The Honeybeesnakeoil keeps mold at bay.

    That said, in late January in Western Washington the weather is starting to warm and we really don't get a whole lot more cold snaps...typically mid 30's with an ocassional upper twenty degree night. Not quite sure what your climate is, but I've had good results in mid 30 degree nights.

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