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  1. #1
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    Default ECO Wood Treatment?

    Has anyone tried ECO Wood Treatment on their woodenware? Kelley sells it.
    Where are we and what's with this hand basket?

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I am just trying it this year. I hope it works well as I have dipped 35 of my boxes with it. I contacted Eco wood and spoke with them, I told them that I was a bee keeper and a lazy one at that. I am just going to dip my boxes one side at a time. Will this be ok and will it harm my bees?
    His answer we yes its ok and no it would not harm bees. He did suggest letting the boxes dry overnight before using them with the bees.
    Wish me luck and let me know how it works for y'all.

    Jason
    "It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!" Zapata

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    I bought a packet from Kelleys. I personally do not trust it. It does not turn water like paint or stain. I have some wooden nuc boxes still treated with it. They will be my test boxes. I put oil base Cabot stain on the rest of the boxes that I used it on. Too expensive to take a chance on. I find the Cabot stain at Lowes in the oops shelf for $5.00. I've figured out the bees really don't care what color it is.
    So much to learn, so little time!!

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I too saw this and was interested in trying it on some boxes versus painting them. I dipped all my pieces twice before assembly and a final dip after assembly. I'm not impressed with the results and I won't be doing anymore without paint. Inspecting the boxes earlier this week I am seeing a lot of warping and separation. I'm pretty sure these boxes are going to be scrap as soon as I can swap them out. I would suggest you try it on a few first and see what your results are. For the record mine have been in use less than a year here in North Alabama.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamp54 View Post
    Has anyone tried ECO Wood Treatment on their woodenware? Kelley sells it.
    Hamp - could you please tell me what is in the ECO wood treatment?
    thanks

    max

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I bought a small package online Home Depot. Last summer I "painted" it onto 3 deeps and 3 supers following instructions. I didn't do the inside, but saturated the outside and especially the joints. I tried it because I love natural wood look. I haven't had any warping at all yet. I'm not thrilled about the wood tone now, kind of dark and almost dirty looking. I bought new equipment this year for increasing again, and painted it all. I could attempt some pics if you want.
    Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Prvb 16:24
    March 2010; +/- 50 hives, TF

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by max2 View Post
    Hamp - could you please tell me what is in the ECO wood treatment?
    thanks

    max
    I have no idea. I was drawn to the idea instead of wax dipping. From the sound of what Trainee has to say I think I'm going to take a pass. I guess there's no free lunch.
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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I read lots of reviews and one of the seller had on their site that it was not reccomended for wood such as pine.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Hamp- You might want to try "Classic" Woodlife clear coat preservative on the exterior of your hives.
    It is an excellent wood preservative. The co. also makes "Coppercoat" preservative might help with
    hive beetles. I called the company and they told me either one can be used on the exterior of bee hives.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Thanks for all the feedback! For me the ECO thought went up like a rocket and came down a dead stick. The more I think about this, the more I like the idea of deep frying equipment in beeswax and rosin…natural products and from the reports, the finish seems to last.
    Where are we and what's with this hand basket?

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    @oblib, the comments regarding the effectiveness of Eco Wood Treatment on pine are probably from our website. We sell Eco from our webstore here in New Zealand to customers in both New Zealand and Australia, including to a number of beekeepers.

    The reason for our comments regarding 'pine' is that the New Zealand timber supply is heavily dominated by Pinus Radiata (Monterey Pine) grown in our country using selectively bred high growth factor trees. This timber grows very quickly in our relatively benign climate with trees being harvested at around 25 years old. The timber produced is fairly soft with low natural durability, with that used in exterior and/or ground contacting applications needing to be pressure treated with CCA (Chromated Copper Arsenate) preservative to provide an acceptable lifetime of use.

    The toxicity of CCA obviously presents problems for the environmentally minded, certified Organic properties and sensitive applications, such as in beehives. We understandably have a regular flow of enquiries from potential customers who think that Eco will provide a level of preservation for otherwise untreated radiata pine similar to that provided by CCA. The contrasting toxicity levels mean that this will not be the case. This is the reason for the 'pine' comment on our website.

    Our Eco customer base here in New Zealand comprises mainly those using cypressus macrocarpa, cedar or other locally available timbers of good natural durability, or to those who are prepared to compromise longevity for lower toxicity than CCA. Our beekeeper Eco customers fall either side of these choices using pine or lesser known indigenous woods.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I had VERY bad experience with Eco Wood Treatment and would caution anyone in a humid environment from using it with pine boxes. Here in New England, I had 9-10 Mann Lake select boxes warp and crack on me last year. I telephoned the representative in the US or Canada before treatment, and was told it wouldn't be an issue - but it was.

    YMMV. I can't recommend it based upon my experience. If you do a search here on BeeSource, you'll see there are a lot of people with similarly bad experiences.

    Tony P.
    There must be a harder way to do that... let me find it for you.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamp54 View Post
    I have no idea. I was drawn to the idea instead of wax dipping. From the sound of what Trainee has to say I think I'm going to take a pass. I guess there's no free lunch.
    Just ferrous sulfate or better know as iron. Iron has been proven to be a significant deterrent to white-rot fungus.
    You can make your own by crushing 20 iron tablets into a quart of water, or buy food grade ferrous sulfate its what is in the vitamins.
    The reason the wood turns is because the iron reacts with the tannin in the wood. That is why it does not work on pine very good.
    The forest service uses boric acid to help preserve wood as well, so
    I would not be surprised if a teaspoon of that would not help.

    That is just my opinion.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I'm using it so far so good

    Real easy and fast to do a bunch of boxes

    I like it on my honey supers but on my brood deeps I seem to use paint later on makes me fell better for the winters here so they get both coats

    After 3 years I still use it on new wood but not on the inside

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Interesting Thread....Wondering if there are any more updates from those that hadn't been using it too long when they had originally posted.

    I actually purchased some, going back and forth trying to decide if I actually want to use it.

    Have exchanged a few emails with the folks at ECO...For whatever it's worth, they are completed convinced that it's safe for both the inside and out of the box. I also asked about the "not great on pine" issue. He disagreed and said it should preserve it fine, the only difference may be that it won't have as much of a effect, at least not immediately on the color of the wood, but it's purely an aesthetics issue.

    The other thing I was concerned and asked about was if I could dip my boards before gluing and stapling? He said it wouldn't matter...I know it would be easier to dip before assembly, but I just don't want to do anything to reduce the performance of the Titebond III, I'm one of those that believe "big time" in the strength and importance of a good glue!

    Lastly, for those that use this product, do you do anything to fill or cover your staple or nail holes? Whenever I paint my boxes, I always spackle these first...

    Any and all feedback appreciated...I've been beating up myself trying to make a decision on this one for a while now.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I dont fill staple or nail/screw holes I assemble then dip/paint on by putting ECO in a plastic tote from walmart about 30-40 gallon I guess make sure all sides ends ect are wetted did 22 medium boxes and 8 bottom boards last weekend in about and hour one coat and done
    only using 1 year on boxes 2 on screened bottom boards so far holding up better than painted ones

    David

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    I started using it 2 years ago. Personally, I like it. I use it on pine and have not had a problem. I haven't had any issues with warping. A fellow beek has been using it for about 5 years now and says he'll never go back to painting. This fellow is a 4th generation beek and has been keeping bees for 50 years. I put my boxes together then dip them, on the outside only. I use an outer cover as a dipping "tank". I personally like the way it darkens the longer it sits.
    "Of all God's creatures, only the honeybee improves its environment and preys on no other species."--Haydon Brown

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Anyone make their own?

    Is boric acid safe to mix in?

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    Dave and Sharp, thanks for the responses, very encouraging...

    Sharp, One question, you say you just dip the outside of your boxes. "Supposedly" ECO is safe for the inside of the box and won't bother the bees. Curious is there some reason you don't dip the inside or is it just out of an abundance of caution.

    This is the latest decision of this project that I'm waffling back and forth with....

    I think dipping the entire box would be easier and provide a little more protection for the box...While dipping just the inside would be a little more "playing it safe" for the bees?

    Technically, doing just the inside will use less product, but that's not really factoring into my decision.

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    Default Re: ECO Wood Treatment?

    did the 22 mediums and 8 screened bottom board with 1 gal and had ECO left doing inside and out since seams easier to do that way

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