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    Default Robert Russell Apiaries - Update

    I wanted to let everyone know some of the information that I discovered while trying to figure out who stole my hives. Robert Russell is running a big scam. He was going by the name Rob hughes on the phone and in person saying that rob hughes was Roberts employee and crew chief. He is very good at this and always referred to Robert as "Doc" in the third person. He even sent me PM's stating Rob was in Florida running their bees there and he was all over the country tending bees. I discovered this after the sheriffs office showed me a mug shot of Robert Russell and it was the same person I had been working with calling him self rob hughes. I personally do not believe he has more than a few hive and does not have all these different strains. Any strains he does have must of came from his fathers operation. The sheriff's office also told us he was charged in Philadelphia MS with taking someones money for bees and never delivering them. I believe most of the people working for him and running his "Russell apiaries family" sites also know all this. I would recommend anyone with orders with anyone associated with Robert Russell cancel them. The man is a dishonest crook. I speculate but have no proof that he was taking my bees all year long and selling them as nucs with phillip butts, one of his "employees"

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Short rope...........tall tree...........oughtta do the trick.
    Coyote Creek Bees

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    When I was falling out of the true believer fold and still frequenting his web site, I remember him offering people his fathers unused honey production yards where huge yields were the norm and his people would take care of them for you! I am sure they never got overpopulated.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Vance G View Post
    When I was falling out of the true believer fold and still frequenting his web site, I remember him offering people his fathers unused honey production yards where huge yields were the norm and his people would take care of them for you! I am sure they never got overpopulated.
    I think I was one of the few dumb enough to fall for this scam. There was only 10-12 hives of other peoples that were therer when I went to pick up what was left of my hives. If there was any huge honey crop it walked off with my hives.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Hey Mtinaz, sorry to hear about all that. Be sure to keep us posted on any more details you find out since you're one of the few that have actually been on the scene. The rest of us only have had our $$ taken and thought RA were crooks. Now you can verify that!

    Might be interesting to have some more chats with Paypal, since that was one of the many ways that RA was able to hide and not return the funds. Good luck, getting anything back from them.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud



    Great. If this is the case, what's the likelihood of getting your money back from a subproducer? Sure wish I'd known this before I placed the order....

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Try it, ask for the refund before paypals time limit is up!! You gotta believe they also know what's going on.....

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Anyone that ordered queens from Russell Apiaries NY can contact me and I WILL refund any moneys paid. I feel terrible that any of this has happened. I am truely sorry, and I can say that I had NO idea of any of this when I associated my bee farm with RA. Anyone with orders for queens from Russell Apiaries NY will be receiving a full refund if they so choose.
    Allegany Mtn. Bee Farm
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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Is there anything on this photobucket link that is helpful?helpfulhttp://s1040.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=7

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy View Post
    Hey Mtinaz, sorry to hear about all that. Be sure to keep us posted on any more details you find out since you're one of the few that have actually been on the scene. The rest of us only have had our $$ taken and thought RA were crooks. Now you can verify that!

    Might be interesting to have some more chats with Paypal, since that was one of the many ways that RA was able to hide and not return the funds. Good luck, getting anything back from them.
    If you paid for something via pay pal and the seller didn't send it to your confirmed address(or sent it at all) and has proof via a tracking or delivery confirmation number Pay pal has to refund your money. I had a friend sell a boat on ebay, buyer paid with Pay pal then a month later(after picking the boat up) called pay pal and cancelled the payment. My friend was told since he didn't send it to the confirmed address listed with pay pal it's as though the buyer never received it and was given a refund. He had to get a lawyer involved and eventually got his money but it was a big harry mess. Google "paypal seller protection" Pay pal is very buyer friendly!

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Tiny Barn Farm, believe me, I've tried everything with paypal. Once the 120 days or whatever is over, it doesn't matter what, who, how. They, Discover can't open up a dispute because of the time frame. Also, they'll say,(RA,) they can't give a refund since you got the dead queens, or missing in action queens, or drone laying queens. So, you can't have the product, dead queens, and a refund too. They required that you send back the drone laying queen etc.... If you paid paypal a year in advance for a piece of the "Moonbeam" lemonade, touche, goodbye, really no luck with paypal at allll!!

    Now, I did have a written response from Rob Hughes saying indeed they owed me queens and shippping. But I know you can guess by now, nothing happened. No response, no credit, no transfer, no nothing..... So, if they ever do catch up with this outfit I hope there's some stout dudes handy.....
    Last edited by Brandy; 02-19-2013 at 04:46 PM.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Quiney WI View Post
    Is there anything on this photobucket link that is helpful?helpfulhttp://s1040.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=7
    Those are MTINAZ's described stolen hives. I wonder if state and/or fed authorities are looking at prosecuting RA as a company or Robert himself.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Quote Originally Posted by NY_BLUES View Post
    Anyone that ordered queens from Russell Apiaries NY can contact me and I WILL refund any moneys paid. I feel terrible that any of this has happened. I am truely sorry, and I can say that I had NO idea of any of this when I associated my bee farm with RA. Anyone with orders for queens from Russell Apiaries NY will be receiving a full refund if they so choose.
    So why are you not un-associated? Just curious if there is some reason the sub-producers cant get the name off their bee farms.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Last year after hearing the claims of 10's of thousands of queens shipped I posed the question on here asking where are all these customers at and if he is truly selling queens at this volume then why on earth wouldnt he just settle up all these small grievances if for no other reason to save the pr nightmare. I have a lot of connections with commercials and nobody I knew had even heard of Robert Russell, finally one person on the board spoke up and said that he had, in fact, purchased hundreds of queens and had personally witnessed the California operation where thousands were being shipped weekly. Who was this person? He went by the name of beehugheshoney I believe. Any attempts I made to subtly point this and all of the convenient excuses out to the board always opened you up to attacks. When MTINAZ came forward with his situation recently the pieces all just seemed to fit. Its truly a sad and unfortunate situation all the way around. This kind of thing happens, at times, to all of us as we go through life. Hence my signature line.
    Last edited by jim lyon; 02-19-2013 at 05:13 PM. Reason: correction
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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Jim, was that beehugheshoney??

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Yes Brandy, I apologize and I would have to do a lot of digging to find the old posting to confirm this. In any case it was someone by the name of Hughes that was the only person that came forward with information about large numbers of queens being shipped. I edited my post accordingly.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    that photo bucket link is my dad and I loading up our few remaining hives and all of our unused equipment that we shipped out that the bees were suppoesed to be split into with "rob hughes" and some of his employees. A few of the pictures are my hives durning the summer I think.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    I "think" looking back at some of the posts, that beehugheshoney is Rob Hughes supposedly father. But who knows.... corrupted story line in my mind!!

    P.S. Someone posted on RA's site about Russell being a fraud and they took the post down. Interesting, but you could see that coming.

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Yes, he said his son worked for Russell's and that he (beehugheshoney) had personally seen the operation in California which claimed to ship 5,000 queens per week.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Robert Russell is a fraud

    Interesting how "Rob Hughes" stepped in and started being the "go to" guy at the very same time Robert Russell stopped making posts himself. What happened to TwinkieBee?
    Regards, Barry

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