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    Default Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Wondering if anyone has thought of and/or tried this before I do.
    I'll have quite a few drawn frames to store for a while. Not enough freezer space. I'm considering BT if I can find the form that is good for a long time and in a reasonable purchase size. My thinking is to put each frame in a plastic bag such as you use to bag produce at the local grocery store. I've used these to store frames of honey and prevent messes in the freezer and the deep frames fit nicely and can be tied to where I believe they will be air tight. I also have a large metal cabinet that would hold quite a few of these bagged frames in an organized fashion. Then I could place sufficient PDB in the cabinet to repel WM. An obvious concern, for me, is the potential interaction of the PDB and the plastic in the bags compromising the whole deal. I'll try PDB in a bag before I do anything else unless I get a quantified thumbs down
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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    1st Nerf stone: Wrong forum, friend.
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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Thought that one might get hurled If it works though,,,,,,no PDB contact,,,,,What's the diff ?
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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    PDB at all.

    Here's another option. I'm assuming you live right on the bay according to your location information, so you may not get cold enough temps to kill them. Have you tried keeping supers on top of hives through the winter?
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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Understood,
    It is not for right now. WM are usually a non issue by the end of Oct. around here. IME.Plenty cold I lost five hives so far this winter and have that material stored open in a garage. Most likely will not re deploy all that before WX becomes a threat by, MId/late May. Investing in a size able freezer isn't an option right now. Keeping or storing excess supers on hives certainly would work now, but becomes problematic come spring with SHB and WM as well if and when they get in.(been there done that) Too much real estate for the bees to deal with.

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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Beware, I have stored super and brood frames in the large zip top bags. The darn wax moth have found their way in. Although I would love to have enough freezer space to freeze all of mine, I dont. I am in Central Arkansas. After the supers are cleaned by the bees after harvesting honey, I spray them with BT. The BT that I bought comes in a powder form that has to be mixed up. After drying out, I stack them up and tape them. I still us the PDB in a paper plate on top of the supers as insurance.

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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Thanks,
    I've seen where the moth gets into sealed plastic bags. WM larvae do some serious damage to wood frames. Doesn't seem a stretch they could chew their way through plastic to get to the yummy frames. My thoughts with this idea was to use the PDB to repel the WM away from the plastic, and the plastic to keep the PDB away from the wax. I've used BT but it must have been the wrong type as the wax moths still did damage.
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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Make sure you freeze them first. From what I was told the wax moth eggs are already on the frames before you put them in the bag that is why it seems like the moths got in but they were there all along. Feezing them kills the eggs. I can't stand mothballs. I got some frames that smelled like that so bad that I threw them away.

    I tried keeping frames in a sunlit window spread out after I froze them. It worked, or I put them over another colony following what I read from Solomon. It worked. I haven't had a mass quantity to worry about a small amount in the sun seemed to do ok. Keeping the frames in the dark is the only times I got wax moths.

    I wonder if a uv light could be employed some how to keep moths at bay. I am curious on this subject too. It is a concern. Moth damage can be really severe. I hope to have all my frames in hives for the most part but yeah too much space can be a problem. I would prefer having them over a hive that has too much space then PDB. I wish you luck.

    I just found this article. It is thorough. I hope it helps.

    http://www.clemson.edu/extension/bee..._moth_ipm.html
    Last edited by virginiawolf; 03-09-2013 at 11:26 PM. Reason: added article

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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Appreciate the article. Didn't dawn on me that the eggs could have already been on the frames. ( duh) The Wm are nocturnal but I do not know enough of their biology to say if uv or any other light source would keep them at bay. If light source would, then it would seem a simple matter to make racks in a cabinet, closet, locker, type enclosure, and keep a light bulb on. Sounds too good to be true. I'll see what I can find out. Appreciate any other thoughts too.
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    Default Re: Plastic bags and PDB for Wax Moth ?

    Appreciate the article. Didn't dawn on me that the eggs could have already been on the frames. ( duh) The Wm are nocturnal but I do not know enough of their biology to say if uv or any other light source would keep them at bay. If light source would, then it would seem a simple matter to make racks in a cabinet, closet, locker, type enclosure, and keep a light bulb on. Sounds too good to be true. I'll see what I can find out. Appreciate any other thoughts too.
    Rick

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