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  1. #1
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    Default Dog kennel to keep bears out

    New beekeeper is wondering if he could put his two hives in a wire 10x20 dog kennel. Would this obstruct the bees flight?

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    I can't imagine why there would be any issue with this. Two hives should easily be able to manage inside an area this large.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    If a dog kennel will keep a bear out, I'll eat it. But it won't obstruct the bee flight. I wouldn't recommend a dog kennel. Try a 10 foot brick or cement wall.
    Before a bee stings, it will be sure to let you know that it will hurt them more than it will hurt you.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    I'm in the process of building a bear fence now. Did a lot of research and found that there are really only two things that will have a chance of keeping out bears...a shark cage type structure or a high tension electric fence. Hope all my effort rewards me! :-)
    Last edited by Lazer128; 02-18-2013 at 04:37 AM.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    I use a dog kennel to protect a few of my hives. No problems at all. I would recommend chaining it down. I placed large metal stakes at each corner and used 1/2 chain to chain the kennel to the stakes. This way if the bear were to attempt to move or disturb the kennel it would not move much and hopefully deter from the hives.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    i have bears i , i know because i have seen them. i have an electric. does it keep them out i dont know. in combanation with the fence, through the season i always leave my shirt or t shirt hanging in a bush, or tree, or on a nail on the barn near the hives. always changeing the place or posision of the shirt or t. trying to always leave the impresion and scent to any animal comeing around that i am there. when i was a kid my father yoused to always leave his t shirt on the handle of the shovel in the garden in a different place every day he would work in the garden. he said it helped to keep the deer out. so i practice that in my bee yard . so far i have not had a visit from any bears. so far the biggest danger to my bees are ME.
    thats the way i roll.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    Quote Originally Posted by curios1 View Post
    i have bears i , i know because i have seen them. i have an electric. does it keep them out i dont know. in combanation with the fence, through the season i always leave my shirt or t shirt hanging in a bush, or tree, or on a nail on the barn near the hives. always changeing the place or posision of the shirt or t. trying to always leave the impresion and scent to any animal comeing around that i am there. when i was a kid my father yoused to always leave his t shirt on the handle of the shovel in the garden in a different place every day he would work in the garden. he said it helped to keep the deer out. so i practice that in my bee yard . so far i have not had a visit from any bears. so far the biggest danger to my bees are ME.
    Good ideas!

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    I have had trouble with bears at one of my locations. We did exactly this, a 6 x 8 kennel that was staked to the ground and screwed into the adjacent barn. I don't feel it is bear 'proof' but it hopefully works long enough until the dogs get out to bark at it. Three years now and no trouble with the bears yet (knock on wood). I have not seen any issues with the flight path. If you are tall you might find it too short. Mine is 6' tall and so am I so I bump my head inside on it a lot. Got it off Craig's list.
    John

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    A couple of years ago there was an article in Bee Culture about Zia Bees who have a queen rearing operation in AZ and MI. In MI they used the same galvanized fencing that is used with dog fences and it was framed with posts and sank two feet in the ground, no electric fence. They said it worked because when bees (oops I meant bears!) tried to climb or pull on it their claws would get stuck in between the wires and it distressed them.
    Last edited by Adrian Quiney WI; 02-17-2013 at 09:17 PM. Reason: had to correct it a bit.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    Hi: Take a look at the picture in the attached thread ( post #20). An electrified kennel works for me. I now have four hives inside over wintering. The power's off until March when the bears become active again around here.
    "http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?275340-Bear-fence-on-trailer"
    Last edited by pbuhler; 02-17-2013 at 08:18 PM.
    Zone 4a-b

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    ..so far the biggest danger to my bees are ME.
    I resemble that remark!



    Rusty
    Rusty Hills Farm -- home of AQHA A Rusty Zipper & Rusty's Bees ( LC and T)

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Quiney WI View Post
    when bees tried to climb or pull on it their claws would get stuck in between the wires and it distressed them.
    Bees with claws....they sure have some tough bees.

    Sorry, of course it was obvious you meant that bears, just couldn't help posting cause it made me chuckle.

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    This is an interesting topic for a new beekeeper.
    Does using an electric fence also electrify the bees landing on the metal fence as well?

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    no, they have to be grounded the bees are fine

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    I would second that a freestanding chain link would be very little deterrent. It might help if there were LOTS of other things for the bear to feed on, sort of a "well this fence will take me 10 minutes but the trash can 200 yards down is smelling good too...". But a determined bear will get through very easily. Electrify or reinforce a-la Zia, or both. Our bears amaze me with their determination and strength, and we just have little black bears!
    Bees, brews and fun
    in Lyons, CO

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    Default Re: Dog kennel to keep bears out

    Read the same article, I think it had the roof closed also.
    Personally I think a bear could tear it to pieces with little effort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Quiney WI View Post
    A couple of years ago there was an article in Bee Culture about Zia Bees who have a queen rearing operation in AZ and MI. In MI they used the same galvanized fencing that is used with dog fences and it was framed with posts and sank two feet in the ground, no electric fence. They said it worked because when bees (oops I meant bears!) tried to climb or pull on it their claws would get stuck in between the wires and it distressed them.
    Dan

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