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    Default Advice on killing a hive

    I have one that has as always had an attitude but workable. I was going to requeen it this year. Well where I have it at a cow got out and knocked it over about 2 weeks ago. I went out to fix it in 40deg weather thinking they would be cold and I could fix it. As soon as I got close they were all over me. Tried smoking, nothing. They are not happy at all. So I said screw it and covered them with a heavy black tarp and figured I would kill them off and save the equipment. Well I went to gather the equipment today and they chewed some holes thru the tarp and were bringing in pollen. They weren't near as busy as before or as they should be, but they aren't near dead. Any ideas on the best way to kill them off without spraying? Lots of good drawn out frames worth saving.
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    If they were mine I would put on enough clothes to weather the storm and put them back together. They sound like my most productive colony. Mine require smoke and a full set of clothes. Good Luck and keep us informed! I know you can handle them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myron Denny View Post
    If they were mine I would put on enough clothes to weather the storm and put them back together. They sound like my most productive colony. Mine require smoke and a full set of clothes. Good Luck and keep us informed! I know you can handle them!
    I'm doing it! Just told the wife she will need to make sure I am duct taped up real good then she can go. Great hive. Good producers. Just has a temper. All natural not treatments and they have been rocking the last couple years. I'll take some pics. Best I can anyway.
    Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked Hulk in the face. Now he hides in the forest and changed his name to Shrek

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    If ya kill em, they won't learn nothin

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    surviving such conditions - they deserve to be alive!
    Серёжа, Sergey

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    Default Re: Advice on killing a hive

    Don't kill them!

    It is not the worker bee's fault. It is the mean old queen. Get rid of her off the big hive. Put in a nice young gentle queen. And everything will be calm and gentle again.

    I got a really mean hive with lots of bees before. After I put in a new queen then everything is back to normal. I don't have to wear my veil now on a hive check. I don't use a smoker either. I have both and a full body bee suit as well.

    The worker bees are innocent here. So don't kill them off also. They done nothing wrong only to listen to the mean old queen, that's all. Her hormones had gone wild.

    You can do it a night time if you want to when they are much calmer than the day time. Since the hives are only tipped off just split them up into new hives. Then put in new queens for as many hives as you can manage. Later on you will have nice gentle hive to give you lots of honey too. Don't have to kill all of them off.
    A smaller hive will not show aggressiveness that they barely have enough guard bees to keep themselves warm at night time. Now that I know how to manage aggressive hives the splitting idea is good to use.

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    >You can do it a night time if you want to when they are much calmer than the day time.

    Famous last words....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beepro View Post
    You can do it a night time if you want to when they are much calmer than the day time.
    I'm guessin' that you've never worked bees in the dark......
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    I've always read that soapy water would take care of them. I believe that dish soap was used...
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    Ether will kill bees quickly and dissipates in a few days in warm weather may take longer in cold temps. Equipment is usable as soon as it dries up.
    Major

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    Default Re: Advice on killing a hive

    I'd put them back together and requeen as soon as possible.

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    Shake them out when it gets a bit warmer. Remove the boxes. Give them a bit for the flyers to fly and then go through what is left and find the queen and do away with her. End of hive

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    HBH is, "Honey Bee Healthy" . It's a formula of honey and/or invert sugar syrup and essential oils such as lemon grass, spearmint tea tree etc.
    I, and many others, concoct my own ,"mix"
    As far as the mean bees are concerned I can't imagine killing a hive due to temperament but I am not in an area where AHB are currently a problem. I had a hive last year that was impossible to work without coming away with a suit full of several hundres stingers. In my case it was a ,"batch" of bad brood from a drone because after a brood cycle or two it was back to normal. If it happens again I'll do one of the following:
    Add a teaspoon of nitrogen fertilizer to the smoker and get the bees stoned before working them. This uses Nitrix I believe it is called but it is fertilizer with only nitrogen so it is 34-0-0 and looks like little pearls. It takes just a little to get this converted to "laughing gas" and makes the bees easy to work. Don't give me grief pleasefor this suggestion. It is better than killing a queen or killing who knows how many stinging workers.
    Let them make their own queen to see if she produces any gentle offspring. I would kill the queen, set up a frame so they make good queen cells, make a few mini mating nucs and see if any cells produce gentle Queens.
    When working the hive try taking another deep with you and quickly put frames from the mean hive in it and take it 100' or more away to work this frames. That worked for me but these were not AHB.
    I certainly would absolutely not even consider killing the hive period. One bee shouldn't take out a whole hive. Sorry but the idea of doing so is completely illogical. Maybe I am missing something & if so please correct me.
    It's been a great producer so it is worth several hundred dollars at minimum.
    I suppose as a last resort put them on a farm somewhere with a bunch of supers and an excluderand let nature take its course then you go back and take the honey.
    Nevermind-I would still just gas them before opening the hive. Stand up wind
    HHoward
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    Default Re: Advice on killing a hive

    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    I have one that has as always had an attitude but workable. I was going to requeen it this year. Well where I have it at a cow got out and knocked it over about 2 weeks ago. I went out to fix it in 40deg weather thinking they would be cold and I could fix it. As soon as I got close they were all over me. Tried smoking, nothing. They are not happy at all. So I said screw it and covered them with a heavy black tarp and figured I would kill them off and save the equipment. Well I went to gather the equipment today and they chewed some holes thru the tarp and were bringing in pollen. They weren't near as busy as before or as they should be, but they aren't near dead. Any ideas on the best way to kill them off without spraying? Lots of good drawn out frames worth saving.
    Can't say I'd advise killing at all. Their aggression seems well warranted, and if nothing else, it sounds like you have a good, strong hive. If it were me, I'd bend over backwards to salvage this genetic line. They're clearly resilient, and precisely what the bee world needs. Sure they were angry, but they SHOULD have been. If they'd been particularly hot without provocation then I'd say nuke 'em, but they certainly had reason for the heat. The fact that they're still alive says to me that they're worth keeping.

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