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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Me thinks this will bee short lived.
    More bees coming in from Florida or elsewhere? Not really that short? Blue boxes with magic bees coming in from Canada?

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Magic bees from Canada are on there way, since we can't legally import bees on comb they will be 4 lb packages ,air freighted

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Bulk bees from Canada in Feb?? Man there really is global warming..

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Does Canada allow Australian bees in?
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    This may be a rather naive comment, but how high does the price have to go before almond growers decide to replace some trees with thistle, rosemary, etc, etc and keep some hives around throughout the year.

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Interesting quote from Randy O.

    "In general, most beekeepers' bees look poorer than normal. Lots of junk
    being delivered to the orchards. Some unscrupulous beekeepers splitting
    hives into worthless queenless splits simply to make count for boxes with
    bees flying out of the entrance.

    Scuttlebutt is that bee supply will be short, with some growers getting
    nasty surprises this week. This will cause hard feelings, since nut prices
    are set to rise substantially, and growers want to set a better crop than
    last season"

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    I'm not an almond grower or pollinator, but my guess would be that even with higher prices of hives there is still more money in trees in the ground than tearing them out to put year round bee forage. As long as there is a high demand for almonds, there will be more trees in the ground and more bees needed. I'm curious to see what happens next spring, will the shortage of bees turn into a surplus driving down the current prices?

    I'd like to hear the thoughts of the commercial guys.
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Seems to me (and I am an outsider looking in) listening to many of the beekeepers here on this forum, they are getting comfortably paid around the $165 per hive mark. I am also gathering these beekeepers are supplying hives in top notch shape. But Im also hearing alot of talk of $200 per hive plus from the speculative gossip.

    Put the two together and yes, the fringes will be operating in that boom bust business environment, while the rest sit comfortable all the way through
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelShantz View Post
    This may be a rather naive comment, but how high does the price have to go before almond growers decide to replace some trees with thistle, rosemary, etc, etc and keep some hives around throughout the year.

    If the price of Almonds stay where they are currently at the growers "should" be able to afford about $400-$420 per acre for pollination to give the bee guys the 7% + or - of the gross we have been averaging the last long while. $210 a hive is not proportionately out of the statistical norms.

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Honey-4-All View Post
    If the price of Almonds stay where they are currently at the growers "should" be able to afford.
    It really has nothing to do with what the almond grower can afford, But, rather what the keeper is going to charge.
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    It sounds to me like the law of supply and demand is working just fine in the almond pollination business. Somebody should tell Chicken Little.

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Supply and demand is right. Next year the situation could reverse itself and an oversupply could result in strong hives sitting. But if the droughts continue and varroa keeps devastating hives, next year could repeat this one. Lots of variables. Take your best guess and plan accordingly.

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Quote Originally Posted by loggermike View Post
    Take your best guess and plan accordingly.
    LOL... outstanding post there, Mike. What we really have is a supply side issue. The demand (almonds) is set, we know how much wood is in the ground & going in the ground & we have four years before they need bees, so it's not like it's an unknow. What's the big unknow is the keepers ability to keep hives alive. Now I would rather go to Reno than bet on what the keeper is going to do.
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Got a question here, do the small farmers with say 10 acres or so of almonds go in a co-op with other nearby small growers and hire a large beekeeper, or do you think they find their own bees? I would like to do small pollination jobs next year and I am wondering if it would be best to go through a broker or find another venue to find a small grower and grow a yearly relationship with them, and maybe if I go to sideliner status they would put word of mouth out?
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    The smaller grower plant next to the big grower so they don't have to rent hives. Sorry bees really don't know which grower has paid for there usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Honey Householder View Post
    The smaller grower plant next to the big grower so they don't have to rent hives. Sorry bees really don't know which grower has paid for there usage.
    Well I assumed that bees do what bees will do, but I also believe that for crop insurance they also have to have atleast two hives per acre, correct?
    Coyote Creek Bees

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    LOL... we have four years before they need bees, so it's not like it's an unknow.)
    With the price of nuts there are bees in trees that went in the ground 2 years ago. Not many but some. The growers are pushing the chems and training on the trees from the gitgo. Get them producing quickly helps recoup the big money spent throwing them in the ground in the first place. With commodity prices up, CRP acres way down, and fields planted to the edge with no wildflowers around for competition compiled with all the acres of almonds going in its not going to be long before our expenses get so high that the growers will scream to open up from Canada or even worse south of the Border. My guess is 5 more years and the rumbling will begin in earnest.

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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Phil, just a short eleven months ago guys were searching for an open spot to put bees, many left to go back home with nothing in their pockets.

    plant'em and they will come.
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    plant'em and they will come.
    I like it.
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    Default Re: Troubling Honey Bee Shortage in California

    >>>growers will scream to open up from Canada or even worse

    easy now cowboy
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