Ethics question r/e nuc sales

[johnpfaff]

If I sell a nuc with a purchased queen in it, can I tell the buyer where the queen came from?
Can I advertise the nuc as headed by a (fill in the blank) queen?

[BeeCurious]

That's what I plan to do if I have any "spare" bees in the spring. I purchased some Carniolans in the summer and started new colonies. I don't see any problem selling nucs with known queens.

It would even warrant a premium in my opinion.

[deknow]

I can't imagine any ethical problem in selling any kind of nuc, as long as you are being honest about it.

deknow

[Acebird]

I can't imagine any ethical problem in selling any kind of nuc, as long as you are being honest about it.

deknow

I'll second what Dean said as the best response. If you are honest and tell the potential customer what you have done not leaving out anything that would cause the customer to assume. It is ethical.

[Beregondo]

I'm addressing the second question the OP posed Ian:
"Can I advertise the nuc as headed by a (fill in the blank) queen? "

I qualified my statement saying, "unless the queen is produced under terms and according to practices defined in the breeder's license."
A person selling queens open breeded from breeder queens would be complying with that, wouldn't he?
Absent any more restrictive terms imposed by the breeder wouldn't industry accepted practice constitute such license?

Do you think it imprudent that I direct his attention to the source of the queens, whom he must have contact with to purchase a breeder queen, rather than we who have no knowledge of any specific terms of name use or even whether a breeder queen is being discussed here?

Additionally, no accusation is here made, but an opinion that if the conditions defined in my statement existed, then fraud would exist...and indeed it would.

[Saltybee]

There are overwintered nucs ,spring nucs and made up nucs. If both parties know what the product is each is a worthwhile nuc.
Is it ethical to sell a nuc as so and so's queen? Are you doing it ethically with disclosure? then yes. Just remember the queen you put in may not be current queen.
As for using a breeder's name as the queen source, if a breeder does not want someone to use the name of their product when they resell it, you need to make that part of your terms of sale.

[Ian]

I'm addressing the second question the OP posed Ian:
"Can I advertise the nuc as headed by a (fill in the blank) queen? "

What I said was
>>locally produced "such and such" queens<<

what I should of said was open mated instead of locally produced. I meant it to mean the same. So it was me that caused some confusion,
I did not say headed by a (such and such) queen
When they sell a breeder queen out of their op, that is exactly what they are doing, providing their genetics to be used in others breeding programs. You dont need a licence to raise open mated queens

[Ian]

If I sell a nuc with a purchased queen in it, can I tell the buyer where the queen came from?
Can I advertise the nuc as headed by a (fill in the blank) queen?

Yes, if your newly introduced queen is laying, she is heading up that colony, just a matter of weeks before all the workers and drones are hers

[Mbeck]

It may even add value to your product.
Who's queens where you thinking of using?

[johnpfaff]

Thanks, I will probably buy the queens for my first nucs for sale. I don't have the numbers to advertise any of my queens as anything but half breeds.
Later,
John.

[Ian]

Id advertise your queens as locally produced, and if you had brought in some specific genetics to graft from, Id include that also,
locally produced "such and such" queens

[Rick 1456]

How long after introducing the queen to your nuc before you send them out the door? Some folks have different definitions of what a nuc is.
Rick