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  1. #1
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    Default Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    Actually couple of questions
    1. On "average" if fed well and good weather (and a blessing from the bee gods) how long for a 10 frame deep hive fill up or need a second brood box starting from a package?
    2. Any advantages to starting a package in a 5 frame deep compared to a 10 frame?
    3. On average how much sugar pollen patty's am I looking at going through this first season per hive from spring til bedding them down for winter?
    4 Any advantages to running hives in 5 frame deeps as opposed to 8 frame mediums if and when weight lifting is a concern?

    I do realize that there is going to be differences between geographical areas and care taking theology's and a all advice is welcome and encouraged. I also realize that some of the questions raise age old debates on the merits of each idea. I want to really understand that for myself and have an idea of what I am going to encounter when I get my bees in April 20. thanks.
    Rick Kumer

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    Default Re: Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    I added a second brood box about 40 days after putting my packages in 10 frame deeps.

    I added a honey super about July 15th.

    I kept a Mann Lake top feeder and pollen pattie on them from the day I hived them until I put the super on. I would guess that I used 4-5 patties per hive up to that point.

    My bees are kept about 80 miles west of you.

    Hope you have good luck this year!

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    Default Re: Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    Thank you that was a great help, Kind of gives me an idea on the timing and costs, any idea on the how much suger a hive will use just an idea on what to expect. Thanks
    Rick Kumer

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    Default Re: Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    Some weeks the bees would go through 16 lbs. per hive. I buy sugar whenever it's on sale under $1.80 per 4 lb bag. Right now I have 200 lbs on hand for Spring.

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    Default Re: Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    A package will take 30-40 days here to fill the first deep, sometimes more if you don't feed enough.

    Plan on at least two pounds of pollen supplement and about 60 lbs of sugar. I recommend a hivetop feeder, don't bother with a Boardman that fits into the front of the hive, the bees cannot get syrup out of it fast enough and they encourage robbing if they don't seal well.

    Depending on your honey flow and the timing, you may also need to feed in the fall, especially if you get a Southern queen -- at least the ones we've had don't shut down brood rearing very quickly in response to a dearth, and they can eat all their stores by fall.

    If you can afford it, I recommend two hives rather than one -- this can save a hive if you lose a queen since you would be able to take a frame of brood and eggs from the other hive if needed.

    Peter

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    Default Re: Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    Quote Originally Posted by psfred View Post
    If you can afford it, I recommend two hives rather than one -- this can save a hive if you lose a queen since you would be able to take a frame of brood and eggs from the other hive if needed.

    Peter
    I will be starting with 2-3 packages from Phil Ebert
    Rick Kumer

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    Default Re: Starting a new hives,Questions Expectations goods/bads

    Quote Originally Posted by weldingfreak6010
    1. On "average" .. how long for a 10 frame deep hive fill up or need a second brood box starting from a package?
    4 to 6 weeks.
    2. Any advantages to starting a package in a 5 frame deep compared to a 10 frame?
    Someone might argue that the smaller space offers some advantages, but even if true, I don't believe it's significant.

    3. On average how much sugar pollen patty's
    This one's really dependent on location, nectar flows and weather. Maybe 30-40 lbs of sugar. As for pollen patties, I've never used them.

    4 Any advantages to running hives in 5 frame deeps as opposed to 8 frame mediums if and when weight lifting is a concern?
    Seems like a stack of 5-frame boxes would get quickly become unwieldly. As for lifting, we have a woman in our local club who says it's far simpler for her to manage twenty frames in two deeps than 30 (or even 24) frames in 3 mediums. She doesn't lift full boxes, she takes an empty box with her and transfers frames.

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