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    Default Should I graft from this queen?

    Here in western nc the red maples are just getting started, so I am starting to get ready for splits and grafting. I have been beekeeping for four years and grafting queens for two. I have an f1 vsh Italian queen that is going in to her third season and was the only hive out of fifteen to make a surplus of honey and the hive is gentle. I ask about using her as a breeder because she has a "dent" in her abdomen and has for as long as I have has her. I keep waiting for her to be superseeded but she is going strong. So is this a concern?

    Inaddition if you have queen that has done well for several seasons and starts to fail would there be any reason other than being a drone layer not to graft from her?

    Thanks
    Devlin Wilde

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    Workers are not showing defect. She was pretty enough for a lot of drones. You like everything else. Yes

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltybee View Post
    Workers are not showing defect. She was pretty enough for a lot of drones. You like everything else. Yes
    Thanks.

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    The 'dent' means it got probably dented when she first came out of the cell and was there when she 'hardened'. Considering she has mated and been a good producer I would not let that little dent worry you one bit.
    Old Guy in Alabama

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    Agreed.
    Beeman
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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    From what you have said
    YES

    I would graft from her also would keep an eye the q's she produces
    Hopefully they are good as mom and dont gain a temper

    Are you going to keep her till she or the bees decide its time to move on?
    If so, I would hope to read a post from you a few years from now
    all abuot her

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by tommyt View Post
    From what you have said
    YES

    I would graft from her also would keep an eye the q's she produces
    Hopefully they are good as mom and dont gain a temper

    Are you going to keep her till she or the bees decide its time to move on?
    If so, I would hope to read a post from you a few years from now
    all abuot her
    My tentative plan is to move her to a nuc and graft from her, if that nuc grows to a full hive great, if not I will have her genes in the mix. I will post on how it works out.

    Thanks all for the advice.
    Devlin Wilde
    Zone 7a 2600 ft in WNC

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wildeman View Post
    My tentative plan is to move her to a nuc and graft from her...snip...
    A smaller brood nest could allow her to last longer and that could mean more grafts over a longer period. Just be sure to keep her from swarming.
    Lee Burough
    I try to learn from my mistakes, and from yours when you give me a heads up :)

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    Default Re: Should I graft from this queen?

    Devlin - Not only would I graft from her, I'd send some of her offspring queens off to Dr. Susan Cobey for instrumental insemination if you can obtain good drones with strong VSH traits, as many of these traits are recessive. Honeybee Insemination Service, 455 Carnica Way, Coupeville Washington, 89239. www.honeybee.breeding.com

    That, if you are intending to expand your apiary on this special lady's genetics. I.I is not cheap, so would depend on the size of your operation and your intentions - it's not for everyone. I would breed from more than one queen - a lot of sideline operations prefer to keep at least 10 bloodlines going - some to maintain certain strong traits, some to out-cross for only a generation or two.

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