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  1. #1
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    Default hot queenless hive questions

    I did a difficult thing today—I had to kill a queen. This hive has been hot since spring of last year. It got worse through the summer and then after fall harvest it settled down some. The other day I was out there and it’s getting too hot again, plus other things I noticed that were not good. Very runny on the frames, and the brood build out was edge to edge on the frames. All signs of Africanized. These hives are too close to homes for me to feel comfortable leaving it. I went out today, found the queen and put her in a container of rubbing alcohol. Michael Bush said it’s the quickest way to kill them and it’s true, she seemed to die immediately.

    The hive is a 10 frame deep all seems full of bees. I wanted to do this before the queen started laying drone, as the build up has started here. There’s 3 frames full of brood with some brood on 2 other frames. Nectar and pollen on the other frames.

    My question—I have another hive the same size, one deep full, and I’d like to combine the now queenless hive to this one with newspaper or doubled mesh screen to one of the same size that then I would have a decent size hive. I messed quite awhile in the original hive as I found and lost the queen twice before I finally got her, and the colony was pretty worked up by the time I was done. Probably a bit traumatized. I thought it might be better to put the queenright box on top of queenless, rather than move the queenless hive. The queenright hive is about 30 feet away, within feet of other hives so I hope returning foragers will drift to other hives.

    Or should I take queenless and put that on top of queenright? Either way I will need to put an empty deep on top and move frame by frame as both hives I believe are connected to bb with plates and screws.
    Do I use a wedge at the lid to give the top box access in and out?

    Do I combine at all as one was hot/Africanized?

    I want to use the dead queen as a swarm lure. How do I do that, what prep, and do I still use Lgo?
    Thanks.
    Beverly
    Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Prvb 16:24
    March 2010; +/- 30 hives, TF

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    If it were me and I could get access to a fresh queen, I would just requeen the "mean" hive. Yes the bees that are already there have the temperment handed down from the old queen but all the new laid eggs will have the traits of the new queen and future generations will be much easier to deal with. Since you have already killed the old queen, and the hive is queenless there should be a pretty good acceptance of a new queen, but I would leave her caged for at least three days anyway. But if you want to go ahead with the newspaper method, I have heard the weaker colony should go on top, but it sounds as though both of yours were still producing well, so I would assume it doesn't matter which goes on top. Since it doesn't matter, I would agree with you it would be best to move the one that the worker bees have a better chance of drifting into other colonies. Like I said before with a new queen, once combined the mean bees will eventually die out leaving the offspring of the desirable queen, so I don't see a problem combining the two.

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    Remember they will have started queen cells by now, regardless of how you combine, you will need to deal with them. Otherwise you will likely have a virgin kill the queen of the hive you combine with.

    It doesn't really matter if you have a top entrance or not when you combine, as long as they have adequate ventilation (which usually means you need a top entrance )

    Matthew Davey

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    I'd split em down to three 3 framers in 5 frame boxes then get three queens from somewhere or graft from the nice one.

    Some of the meaner ones I've had. As soon as they get a queen they are happy with. They will be a lot nicer. Even if they are not her offspring.
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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    Quote Originally Posted by MattDavey View Post
    Remember they will have started queen cells by now, regardless of how you combine, you will need to deal with them. Otherwise you will likely have a virgin kill the queen of the hive you combine with.



    Matthew Davey
    After reading this I decided to put the queenless hive on top the queenright and I will check in 10 days or so for queen cells, remove if there are any.

    I didn't try too hard to find a queen. I like the idea of boosting the colony because I heard our orange blossom run is starting a month early. I will possibly split after that.
    Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones. Prvb 16:24
    March 2010; +/- 30 hives, TF

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    I know its too late but would it have been a good option to cage your queen in your other hive and intro her into the mean hive. Then the one you took her from would make a new queen. Presumably there would be drones available by the time she was ready to fly?

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    10 days from now will be too late. The bees make queens from larvae that are already at day 5 of the 16 day process.

    You need to check before 10 days from when they were made queenless.

    Matthew Davey

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    Or you could have left them alone for a week. Then gone in and killed all the queen cells that they would have made. Then give them a frame of eggs from your other hive for them to raise another queen.

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    Default Re: hot queenless hive questions

    Why laughing? It's a law of nature that showed the bees.
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