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  1. #221
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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Quote Originally Posted by brooksbeefarm View Post
    it is fat free,and cholesterol free.
    I'd like to see someone put that on their label and tell us what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMAC View Post
    I'll step up to the plate and do it for you Mark. Just don't say I'm Republican or Democrat!
    I'm not aware of your Party affiliation and it doesn't matter anyway.
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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    My party affiliation used to revolve around bon fires.

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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    deKnow,i'm not talking about eating x amount of honey to get my daily vit. intake? I'm talking the nutritional value of Raw honey over Pasteurized honey, we've seen the nutritional value of Raw honey, now show me the nutritional value of Pasteurized honey?
    sqkcrk, Why couldn't i put fat free and cholesterol free on my labels? packers have been putting Pure Clover honey on their pasteurized honey and getting away with it.

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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    This thread brings a whole new meaning to "splitting hairs."

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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Quote Originally Posted by brooksbeefarm View Post
    sqkcrk, Why couldn't i put fat free and cholesterol free on my labels? packers have been putting Pure Clover honey on their pasteurized honey and getting away with it.
    There are Laws about this sort of thing. I can't quote them. But, there is a reason wy you won't see such things stated on labels on grocery store shelves.

    Check w/ your State Labeling Authority. State Weights and Measures or Dept. of Ag maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brooksbeefarm View Post
    packers have been putting Pure Clover honey on their pasteurized honey and getting away with it.
    make a resolution at your next association meeting, to form a committee to act against this practice of labeling pasteurized clover honey
    You will get laughed out of the room
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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Nutrition facts on containers that I buy from my local bee supply store.
    Per 1 Tbsp (20g)
    Calories 60
    Fat 0g
    Carbs. 17g
    Protein 0g
    Not a significant source of saturated fat, trans fat, cholesterol, sodium, fibre, vitamin A, vitamin C, calcium or iron.

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    Huh, whadda ya know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    ... HACCP is not a packager of any kind.
    My main point is about misinformation of consumers.

    Please look into the BeeMaid MOTTO’s “Hive to Home” Why a packer as the main component is missing?
    http://hivetohome.beemaid.com/

    Let’s find the answer.

    “…BeeMaid is one of the few North American packers..." (Ian – Post # 173)

    But I know two Canadian Packers, related to the BeeMaid:

    Alberta Honey Producers processes and packages honey for its members.
    http://www.beemaid.com/alberta-honey-producers

    Manitoba Honey Cooperative processes and packages honey for its members and purchases raw wax.
    http://www.beemaid.com/manitoba-honey-producers

    Therefore I stated : “The Bee Maid Honey is just a distributor. I think you forgot the Packager - HACCP.”
    It was my short sentence with the “-“ symbol, therefore I also posted the quoted statement with the link for detailed info”: “Bee Maid Honey is proud that it’s honey processing and packing operations are HACCP recognized by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA).” http://www.beemaid.com/bulk-ingredient
    It's clear - packers work under some standards.

    Boris Romanov

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    “Bee Maid Honey Limited is owned jointly and equally by Alberta Honey Producers
    Co-operative Limited and Manitoba Cooperative Honey Producers Limited. Bee Maid
    Honey is owned by the Member beekeepers in western Canada.
    The Directors of the two Co-operatives are also the Directors of Bee Maid. The
    Directors appoint and direct the Management of Bee Maid Honey Limited. Bee
    Maid receives the revenue from all processed honey sales and is responsible for
    paying the costs of honey containers, processing, freight, commissions, advertising
    and all other related expenses. The net proceeds are then returned to the
    Co-operatives on a shared basis.
    Should either Co-operative have honey beyond that which is required by Bee Maid
    to fill its processed honey market, the Co-operative may sell this honey through as
    raw bulk honey. The net revenue from this honey is returned to the Co-operative
    supplying the honey.”
    http://www.beemaid.com/files/AHPOper...licyManual.pdf

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    You have absolutely no idea what your talking about Boris,
    I think your eyes are crossing when your reading all this stuff.

    BeeMaid is the actual packing company to which it buys all its honey from the Manitoba and Alberta Honey Producers. Its a Cooperative.
    Its owned by the beekeepers of western Canada, ITS A COOPERATIVE

    everything is on the website, everything is clear and transparent , all the honey supplied to BeeMaid is from the beekeeper either from the Manitoba or Alberta members

    HACCP is something completely different, is third party auditing. It has nothing to do with packing honey, its a facility standard. I believe is North American wide, its way larger than something your able to comprehend Boris
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    Do you want me to repeat that Boris?

    I wish you could see through you thick glasses,
    this packer to which I am a member of, is very proactive with its standards, quality, and currently enacting producer CFIA registration which provides a system of tractability

    Very exciting stuff
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Ian,

    Once again.

    Please look into the BeeMaid's MOTTO: “Hive to Home” This is the FALSE statement!
    Why a packer as the main component is missing?

    After processing is not ethical to call/label a final product as HONEY - it's PROCESSED HONEY - forever liquid substance!

    Boris Romanov

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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Did you read that heating (pasteurizing) honey up to 37 C or 99F causes loss of nearly 200 components ... -brooksbeefarm
    Isn't 37C the mean internal temperature of a human body? Are those components similarly lost as soon as they enter the human body?

    Along those same lines, doesn't bearding on hives begin at around 37C to 38C? Why wouldn't those components be destroyed right in the hives under those conditions?

    Heating up to 40 C or104 F destroys invertase an important enzyme. -brooksbeefarm
    I'll confess I'm ignorant on what these sorts of enzymes do physiologically in the human body. Why is consuming invertase so important or helpful?

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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Again,

    They are fully certified with HACCP, and currently in the process of fully registering its membership with CFIA. Right now, they are packing honey on the shelf all around the world which has the ability of tractability from that store shelf right back to the beekeeper, and the hives the honey came from.

    Hive to Home,

    Boris, what cant you understand ?
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    in the scale of 15,000,000 lbs plus
    and capturing the market place
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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    Ian,

    I didn't ask you about certification, but I asked you about misinformation of consumers.
    Therefore I cannot accept your reply. Please read my post #233 more carefully.

    Boris Romanov

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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    there is no misinformation

    this whole idea that as soon as honey is sent through a machine it no longer is honey is absolutely ridiculous

    ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS
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    Default Re: Tests Show Most Store Honey Isnít Honey

    I hope people are seeing the irony in this conversation. Hint: Bee Maid IS the beekeeper.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Jim, Im hitting my head against the wall , I got to stop, its starting to hurt,....

    Boris ..... got it..... ?

    Because I cant explain it again
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