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    Default Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I need to order additional wood frames and have bought Dadants in the past. They have always been exceptional quality. I was thinking about buying from Mann Lake though because they have the free shipping. How does the quality of their frame compare to Dadant? Thanks

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Assuming you are talking about unassembled frames I would let price be the determining factor. The quality of both are excellent in the commercial grades that I am familiar with.
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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Mann Lake frames are just as good as Dadant.
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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Yes i am talking about unassembled frames. Is the design of components about the same? Same thickness end bars and such?

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Dimensions should be nearly identical. Only a few subtle differences in style.
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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I've noticed no difference in form and function.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I think the ML's have a wider bottom bar.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Quote Originally Posted by monrovi View Post
    I need to order additional wood frames and have bought Dadants in the past. They have always been exceptional quality.
    Very well said. I have the same veiw, everytime I go somewhere else when I know what works I seem to get burnt. I ordered a semi load of frames this spring I think 22,000, wouldn't change my supplier for nothing dadant been working for me for years.

    Free this free that... there's nothing FREE. I want quality, I don't want some flyer every other week saying "new and improved the BEST on the market".
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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Quality is the same, but the size is a little different. I have Mann Lake medium plastic foundation and dadant medium frames. Foundation is a touch bigger. Not much of a deal I just buzz it off on the table saw.
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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    It doesn't matter to me what what folks may say, I will always say that ML's frames are some of the best I have ever come across, and you can't go wrong or get burnt with them.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    The top bar on the [ML] frame is a little thinner. I have less broken end bars with [ML] when i'm done assembling than I have with Dadant because the [ML] parts fit together easier. Also [ ML] uses pondarosa pine and I think Dadant uses white pine but I could be wrong on this. I have less blow outs with [ML] plastic than with Dadant also, [in my deeps only].

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    ML Frames are good quality. I did have one issue when i bought foundation, it was about 1/2cm too long and bowed a bit. Perhaps the grooves in the frames were a bit shallow also. Easy fix though, simply trimmed a little bit of the foundation off and fit like a charm. Of course, if I was doing 22,000 of them... and it was a frame issue I'd be upset.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Dadants frames come from Westernbee.com in Poulsen Mt. I find their budget grade is good enough for the girls I go out with and they are very reasonalby priced.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I did notice recently that the Dadant grooved bottom bars I had would not fit into the Mann Lake endbars. They were too fat, as the Mann Lake bottom bars are notched to fit.
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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    Quote Originally Posted by Vance G View Post
    Dadants frames come from Westernbee.com in Poulsen Mt. I find their budget grade is good enough for the girls I go out with and they are very reasonalby priced.
    Ditto!

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I have had issue with the assembled frames sold by Mann Lake, only 1 staple down through the top bar so when you load a box with ten frames and later that season when they are drawn and you try and pry one out the top bar comes right off. It happened with only a handful but still annoying.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I believe Dadant went from a 3/8" thick bottom bar to a 1/2" thick bottom bar to ease automated assembly. I have always been pleased with their frame quality, but saw no reason to change the bottom bar after how many years, just to please their machine.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I think I will order a couple hundred and give them a try. Shipping alone from dadant was $50+ for 100 frames. It sounds like Mann lake builds an equally good product. Have to order up

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    I've used both Dadant and Mann Lake frames. I just bought 2400 Mann Lake frames, mainly because of the free shipping. Wished I had sucked it up and just paid for the shipping! Both make a good frame, however: Dadant frame is a tighter fit (maybe too tight). I've broken end bars installing the top bar. With Dadant frames I can put a staple in from the side through the end bar, into the top bar. You can't do that with a Mann Lake frame. The top bar is not as thick as the Dadant frame. I'm installing Pierco foundation into these frames. The Dadant top bar is just a little thicker and holds the foundation more securely. It just seems like the foundation is going to pop out of the Mann Lake frames. Like I said before, Both companies make a quality frame and I've used both in the past and I bought Mann Lake this time, BUT, all my future purchases will be Dadant frames.

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    Default Re: Mann lake vs dadant frames

    We are in the final steps of assembling 8,000 new deep wood frames with both grooved top and bottom bars. Sick of the pre-assembled ones from both outfits being put together very poorly and prone to falling apart under the abuse I and the crew apply to them in hive work.

    The new ones..... 5000 from Dadant and the other 3k from ML.

    As I am close to both the shipping is not an issue. Dadant was at 66 cents and ML at 69 cents. With the bee bucks at ML my overall cost each way was just about equal +- .


    Couple of observations:

    ML top bars are thinner than Dadants. A minus but not much as I hardly ever see a frame crack in the center of the top bar. The new deeper groove in the Dadant bottom bar is also prone to collapse when we are stapling them. Lots of blow-ins from the lack of structure and lower quality wood on stapling . The quality of both the wood and the cuts are far superior in the ML frame with this purchase. Not even close. The wood shop guys in Minnesota produce a very nice clean cut with not even a bad piece of wood in the lot. The drop in angle cut design on top of the ML sidebars saves a couple of microseconds a frame also.

    If we go back and build more this summer or next fall the folks at ML will have won the first chance at a repeat purchase at this point.

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