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    Question Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    So I received my February 2013 American Bee Journal in the mail this weekend and noticed I am up for renewal. I thought, I would read through this copy and make my decision whether to renew or not once it is read. As I was reading my way through I noticed the following article: “Bayer Bee Care Center Helps Solve Bee Health’s Toughest Challenges” on page 118. I was a bit taken aback by this and thought….now, now …read through the article and I might find there is no need to be so cynical.

    Having finished reading very carefully I am totally dumb struck! Here is a renowned Bee Keeping Supply and Magazine company, steeped in a history of advocacy of bee keeping, printing an extremely pro Bayer article about all the remarkable wonderful things Bayer is doing for the betterment of our bees as well as our earth with their LEEDS campus.

    Did I not read recently about a Bayer company launching many products with chemicals which are clearly lethal to honey bees yet they stated honey bees were not affected by their chemicals at all and our own government being mixed up in this mess passing along similar lies. Then an independent testing lab proved the original testing by Bayer was faulty and skewed to attain the results they were looking for. Soon after all this I heard Bayer purchased the lab and lo and behold no more information on the subject was forth coming. Now this wonderful project by Bayer…Is this just a Puritan soul cleansing event where Bayer funds a token project and everyone forgets the devastation they have created in their years and simply remembers this event and thinks “what a wonderful company”

    Well; I remember! Good luck Bayer and American Bee Journal. I will make sure my money goes in a more appropriate direction….

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Allow me to put in my $0.02

    I used to work for a scientific journal...we worked on various issues up to a year ahead of time. We actually had to decide on issue topics several years in advance due to the publication schedule. I don't know what kind of publication schedule ABJ has, but perhaps they had this article in the pipeline before the recent article.

    At least I hope this is what happened. Bayer's recent statement seemed like a bit of doubletalk/intentionally convoluted language...shady at best and beyond disgusting at worst. I'd be upset too if I was a subscriber.
    Last edited by urbanoutlaw; 01-28-2013 at 04:35 PM. Reason: fixing my usual typos

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    I know this link was recently posted in another thread, but it is definitely worth watching when you have 30 minutes to spare ...

    http://www.linktv.org/video/8123/kil...ry-responsible

    It all comes down to money and greed. So, is Bayer helping, or hurting the honey bee?

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Quote Originally Posted by PAHunter62 View Post
    I know this link was recently posted in another thread, but it is definitely worth watching when you have 30 minutes to spare ...

    http://www.linktv.org/video/8123/kil...ry-responsible

    It all comes down to money and greed. So, is Bayer helping, or hurting the honey bee?
    I'm mainly concerned whether or not they are hurting Varroa, and if there wasn't any money in it for them they wouldn't be doing it.

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Would you rather be kept ignorant of what Bayer is doing? Was it not written somewhere to "keep your friends closer, and your enemies closer"?


    Crazy Roland

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    No Roland, your right; I'm all for information. I guess the tone to me just sounded like one of those evil capitalist conspiricy theories.
    I'm just glad to know I may be able to legally use (if I choose to) a product that I know kills the heck out of mites, doesn't interupt brood production and doesn't appreciably build up in the comb. Oh, and also does this in one application; according to them.
    I hope this doesn't turn into a "treat" or "not treat" deal, or about the pros and cons of Amitraz. Most people know all about that and have already made up their minds, I'm just glad to hopefully be able to ad this to the tool box.
    OK Alabama Dept. of Ag., order the packet!

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Bayer
    They are fighting again
    Hypocrites
    IMHO
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/hours_to_save_the_bees/?cfsyhab

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Marc, you have some good ideas, but since much of the knowledge of commercial people is proprietary, and their livelihood depends on them keeping it that way, don't expect to have them "spill the beans". It would be less than intelligent to do so, so anyone that does spill the beans might not have the most intelligent ideas.

    I find Randy Oliver's writings amusing, the Honey market reports valuable, and Jerry Hayes publishing a private e-mail of mine curious.

    Crazy Roland

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    maybe bayer bought abj? be afraid be very afraid
    Last edited by j.kuder; 01-30-2013 at 12:08 AM.

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    Marc, you have some good ideas, but since much of the knowledge of commercial people is proprietary, and their livelihood depends on them keeping it that way, don't expect to have them "spill the beans". It would be less than intelligent to do so, so anyone that does spill the beans might not have the most intelligent ideas.
    Hey Roland, I don't want to know their proprietary knowledge, I understand that they depend on keeping certain things under wraps, no issue with that. But for a hobbyist like myself I thought it might be interesting to write an article about some of the bigger guys, how many hives they manage, what got them to make the jump from a few hives to full-time, things they struggle with, what it takes to run an operation like that, you know? Stuff that would be entertaining to read, and maybe make me want to or deter me from pursuing more hives... lol

    I don't know, I don't want to come across as bashing the journal, it does provide good info, and like Jim said, I am always excited to find it in my mailbox, I just wish they would keep their finger a little more on the pulse. I realize they are two very different mediums, but when I want to learn about something or have a question I come here to the bee forum, not so much to the magazine.

    I have this habit of taking out articles and saving them because they had a really good idea, or addressed a challenge I also faced, or simply because it was well written and thought provoking. Well, the last article I clipped and saved was from June 2011, everything after that was... ok, not bad, but not that exciting or new either. Last night when I read through the forum I thought it would be fairly quick and easy to get some good ideas just by looking at the threads that cover several pages. Here you have a good measure of what gets beekeepers passionate...

    Anyways, enough said, probably. I'll go back now and re-read some of the articles I saved...lol
    Last edited by Marc; 01-30-2013 at 06:24 AM. Reason: Corrected my blasted spelling...:-)

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    I don't really consider there is much proprietary information out there aside from the obvious how many hives are you running, where are they at and how much honey did they make. I am not even sure pollination info is all that secretive, at least with Almonds if you have the bees somebody will pay you what they are worth, other pollination may be a bit different but if you have a good working relationship with a grower and treat them well then someone else isn't going to take that away very easily. I don't mind sharing about anything else. Most of this business is just about being willing to take the risks, and do the work. Some do it well, some not so well.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    cynical is right,

    any of you going to be in line if or when they develop a progressive treatment option for your hives?
    benefits from R and D come from organizations who direct attention towards R and D
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Well let’s see Ian….
    1. It was cynical prior to reading the article. It was confirmation of my suspicions after I read it.

    2. Should this company develop a progressive treatment option for my hives would I be in line for their product? If I have any hives left, after the devastation this company’s chemicals are having on all our bees in their quest for more sales, I am positive I will remember what caused this pandemic and choose to purchase my needed products from a company with a conscience.

    3. I understand fully what R&D does and what drives it’s funding. I also thank God for all the watch groups that offer up their time and efforts in their attempts at keeping such companies honest and socially responsible for their actions.

    Ian, as you know, you are free to follow your beliefs and convictions just as I am free to follow mine and I do appreciate your sharing yours.

    Rick

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Quote Originally Posted by RABray View Post
    , I am positive I will remember what caused this pandemic
    you mean the mite, virual infections, nosema, and the weather right?
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    I'm not giving up my subscriptions to bee magazines--I need that input. I'm just keeping a suspicious eye out for any movements by Jerry Hayes, Monsanto and/or Bayer!

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    Default Re: Really American Bee Journal?????????????????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Tia View Post
    I'm not giving up my subscriptions to bee magazines--I need that input. I'm just keeping a suspicious eye out for any movements by Jerry Hayes, Monsanto and/or Bayer!
    +1

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    +2 (despite my gripes...:-))

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