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  1. #41
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
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    Papaikou, Hawaii, USA
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    Default Re: Queen Excluder or not

    I do not use them. I do not like them, and I worry about torn wings and such. I also see no need for them for *me* but I understand that others swear by them.

    I am fairly new to beekeeping, but I am up to 20 hives from the one I started with in March 2012, and I do a fair bit of management to make sure I keep moving honey up and out and brood inwards and down. That being said, I have harvested some 20 gallons of honey this year and only two frames had any brood at all, and that was just some drone cells at the bottom of two frames. If I find brood above the brood chamber, and honey frames starting at the outside of the brood chamber, I move them down if I can, or make sure the brood is in the center and the honey outside. I will also run foundationless frames in between frames with foundation, just to keep them on their toes and to be able to harvest comb honey easily.

    I tend to put the frames with new foundation in the brood chamber, and return the drawn-out extracted comb above. Unless it looks like she needs room badly. I have not had them fill the drawn out extracted comb with drone...which I thought certainly would happen. But it didnt. They worked with what I gave them.

    That being said, where I am there is honey flow 12 months of the year so I understand my management practices to not apply everywhere.

    I have never thought, "wow, a queen excluder would make this easier." And, I do think QEs make it harder on them. I think its hard enough already, but that's me.

    I always find fully capped frames (both sides), and they seem pretty clear that they like it on the outsides of the topmost supers, regardless of whether they are mediums or deeps.

    My hive called the Tower of Power has 4 mediums on top of a single deep, and she will go up to level 3 to lay, but always in the dead center. There is always honey on the outside of every box, even in the bottom deep....she is a trooper and runs a tight ship of super productive bees!

  2. #42

    Default Re: Queen Excluder or not

    Great discussion on whether or not to use queen excluders and I really enjoyed reading the below study mentioned in the beginning of this thread:

    http://www.beesource.com/point-of-vi...oney-excluder/

    With regards to top entrance hives that use a queen excluder, what happens to all the dead bees and stuff on the bottom board if there is no bottom entrance for the bees to sweep out the trash, other than to manually go in there and clean it out periodically? Also, how do you set up an entrance below the QE for the drones to pass through without regular traffic starting back up through it?
    Started beekeeping in 2013 and having a blast with my 10 small cell hives!!

  3. #43
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Grosse Ile, Michigan, USA
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    Default Re: Queen Excluder or not

    I block off the bottom entrance with a piece of wood that has a 1 inch slot cut in it for the drones to get out and for the bees to haul out the trash. 99.5% of the bees use the top entrance. John

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