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    Default Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    How do you end up with extra drawn frames of comb, for future use and for swarm control? Would it be as simple as in early spring once temps are steady and taking 2 or 3 frames of sealed brood in a tight pattern, putting it in an additional box with an inner cover between the additional box on top and the brood box(es) below? Do you keep the nurse bees with those brood frames up top? What are the uses for empty drawn frames, in addition to swarm control?

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Good thread topic! I am looking forward to the discussion!

    Drawn comb is, I believe, one of the most valuable resources that we can develop. It can come from nucs that are set up as resource factories. It also can come from hives that die over winter.

    It can be used when setting up new hives to give them a head start on building up. It can be used in honey supers to free bees from drawing wax.

    I don't think that putting brood above an inner cover is a good idea. Anything above the inner cover is out of the hive as far as the bees are concerned, and I am afraid that you would lose that brood.
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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Quote Originally Posted by ralittlefield View Post
    Good thread topic! I am looking forward to the discussion!

    ... It can come from nucs that are set up as resource factories.
    Me, too, it's been a mystery to me! The only way I've done it so far is to take end honey frames out when nectar is flowing and extra those. But there's bound to be a better way. I have nucs, so how do I turn them into comb-building resource factories (and then there's the problem of removing and emptying out those frames)? Thanks.

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    I keep several nucs that I rob frames of brood from to drop into a hive that can use a boost. That nuc can get an undrawn frame to work on. The frames are not removed and emptied, the full frame is utilized. The frame of brood can contain thousands of new bees for the lagging hive.
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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Roland style - Another way to obtain your drawn brood comb: Just raise a frame of mostly sealed brood above an excluder after gently shaking off the bees, when it emerges take it away. Of course you are adding undrawn frames to the gaps when you remove the drawn ones.

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    during a good flow you can use a deep box as a honey super. Once you harvest the honey you will have drawn deep frames to use later. They get heavy but, getting the drawn comb is worth it.

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Quiney WI View Post
    Roland style - Another way to obtain your drawn brood comb: Just raise a frame of mostly sealed brood above an excluder after gently shaking off the bees, when it emerges take it away. Of course you are adding undrawn frames to the gaps when you remove the drawn ones.
    I am so doing this. Thanks everybody for these fabulous methods. Obviously there's more than one way to get 'er done. I'm going to try all 3 this spring and see how it works. I can see the beauty of the nuc system. I've got strong hives, a weak one or two, and a few nucs. The "Roland method" and deep as a super also sound great.

    Any other ways to skin this cat?

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Another vote for drawing them as a honey super. The frames get drawn all the way to the bottom bar that way, which swarms don't do as well.

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    I went through winter with 2 deeps, so When I open my hive in spring ,I would think there will be some empty,drawn comb. I hope so as I want a few for swarm traps

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Definitely better to use all the same size frames.

    In terms of drawing comb and swarm control I tried "opening the brood nest", then found that "maintaining a hole beside the brood nest" worked just as well without stretching the bees and chilling brood if cold weather sets in.

    The method is to:
    1. Remove a side frame (ideally with good stores) and place it in the centre of a new box (this box will go on top).
    2. Find the edge of the brood nest and place a new frame in-between. So that the brood nest is on one side of the new frame and stores (or the edge) on the other side.
    3. After one or two weeks come back and do the same on the other side of the brood nest.
    4. In another couple of weeks you may be able to start doing both sides of the brood nest at the same time. (I would keep an eye on the weather forecast as to if you should do this or not.)
    5. If you have brood in the edge frames, when you move them up, make sure they are centred above the brood nest in the box above.
    6. Do this until the main flow. Then you can start alternating honey frames with new frames in the super(s) and they will draw them out.

    I believe you want to start wax building early in the season and can start doing this from when plums are in blossom. Remember you must make sure they have adequate stores of honey/nectar when they are making wax.

    Here's a bit more information:
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...rst-year-hives

    Matthew Davey

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    I use nuclei to draw foundation. Made up in mid-June, the nucs grow in strength and get a 4 frame super of foundation. When the bees draw those 4 combs, I replace 3 of them and replace with foundation. If there's a good flow, I remove 2 more and replace with foundation.

    The 450+ nucs drew out 6-9 frames each. I extracted 3 drums of honey from the nucs before I decided to save the remaining frames of honey for feed. Had 40 hive bodies of honey to use for emergency fall feed.

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    Default Re: Extra drawn frames & swarm control

    Michael,

    Are you keeping these nuc all with just one super/eight total frames? How closely do you have to watch them so they don't run out of room?

    Tom

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