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  1. #21
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    I am looking at going to med. only and had an interesting discussion on another thread on this subject. MB and I went into the math of surface area of a 2 deep 10 frame to an 8 frame box set up with the same surface area (foundation) and that was 4 boxes. I am under 10 hives but I still worry about the stability of an 8 frame hive that has 4 boxes of brood and 3-4 boxes of harvest honey area. Other than that I do like the idea and I am negotiating with Janet at Country Rubes for my med. box order, much cheaper for a small scale guy like me instead of building the equipment for hot wax dipping like MB does.
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    I don't use 8 frame equipment, but I would think the only advantage over 10 frame is weight, but your not talking a big difference anyway. If weight is your priority, then why not go with 10 frame mediums for everything. A couple advantages of 10 frame equipment, it gives you 2 more frames of brood per box, it gives you a larger cavity in winter, not that the cluster fills the whole box wall to wall, but the extra frames on each side provide more of a buffer between the cluster and outside. Another thing would be the stability issue as you mentioned, however, I think that is fairly minor. John

  3. #23
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    I use all deep 8 frame and 5 frame boxes. I vary the box width, not the frame.

    I use 8 frame as production because bees love to move up, it works better with foundationless frames, the edge frames are better utilized, and I can winter 2 deeps on 16 frames rather than 20.

    In short, it is cheaper for me to do that, especially considering I build all my parts and would like to peddle some nucs in the future.

  4. #24
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    I have tons of 10 frame deeps. It was the only woodenware available for sale locally in my area when I started out. But I love the 5 frame nucs and 8 frame deeps. So I use all three sizes for different reasons.

    Ten frames deeps are great for dividing into nucs and still have other uses. Just pop in a follower board and you have any size you want.


    It's funny, they will never cross that board and build burr comb in the empty space, as long as they are not horraby overcrowded.





    Heres a 10 frame box turned into a 6+ frame nuc.


    Heres that same box with a shelf routed into the side to accept mini frames:


    Here is the hive shown above -now full of bees. Miniframes on ther right,made from combining mating nucs inthe fall, and small late nuc of standard deep frames on the left-3 over 3.


    Sharing the warmth this winter





    So you can see your current 10 frame deeps are not a waste if you want to switch to 8 frames or 5 frame sizes for your production or standard hives.
    Still, nothing wrong with ten frame deeps, if you can handle them. They do have the most bang for the buck.
    On my small scale, I do enjoy having just the right sized box for the job.

    And when you get your new 8 frame box's,take some time to put a good finish on them!


    Here's my facebook page for instructions and photos showing how to do this crackle finish. It's an older post, scroll down until you come to it. It's a great winter time project.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Miller...56954971040510

    I'll add, Mann Lake's budget 8 frame and 5 frame deeps have been superior quality.
    Just sayin'...And free shipping...

    This is an 8 frame budget..no sanding..Just Watco stain and spar urethane.


    In my opinion, Man Lake's budgets now are better than their selects were in 2011. No blow outs now on the hand holds-ever.
    Last edited by Lauri; 01-18-2013 at 12:58 PM.

  5. #25
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Outstanding pics Lauri.

    Are those Mann lake feeders and mini frames?

  6. #26
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Lauri: Very nice looking hives and pics, excellent job on the JD hive!

    I prefer the 10 frame 7-5/8" boxes for brood and honey and like someone else had stated earlier in this post they do draw out and fill the outer frames on the other sized 10 frame boxes besides deeps.
    One thing that people forget to mention that is a plus on the 10 frame deeps and not filling the outer frames is that you have empty frames to rotate into the outer honey frames on the brood nest. I beek does not have to carry extra frames with (unless you already have rotated them in) because they are already on site and once the honey flow hits high gear you should be expanding your bee/honey space upward and outward by rotating the empty frames inward.
    I also like the stability of 10 frame when loading trucks with my skid steer.
    I tried some 8 frame hives and they sure seemed to swarm a lot which was probably my fault because I don't always make it to my outyards in a timely manner and they ran out of space. We use Mother Lode feeders that take up 2 frames of space and that would turn a 8 frame box into a 6 frame. Just some thoughts!
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Quote Originally Posted by DonShackelford View Post
    Outstanding pics Lauri.

    Are those Mann lake feeders and mini frames?
    Thank you Don,
    They are Mann Lake feeders and home made mini frames-cut down and remilled from Mann Lake deep frames. I make them 9 1/4" instead of 9 1/8".
    9 1/4" just fits better.

    Heres some frames all cut and preped for assembly.


    I'd guess it takes me about 3 hours to cut and mill 100 deeps into 200 mini's,but I think I get a better product and save myself over $100.
    I do one extra step, to run the cut edge of the top bar over a shaper router blade to ease the square top edge. Net necssary, but a better finish.

    This frame looks big in the photo, but it is a 9 1/4" mini deep. You can see the eased edge of the home cut and milled end on the right, squared off corners of the stock side on the left.

    Last edited by Lauri; 01-18-2013 at 04:25 PM.

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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Lauri: What do you use to cut that black plastic foundation with?
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauri View Post
    I do one extra step, to run the cut edge of the top bar over a shaper router blade to ease the square top edge.
    I'd sure like to get you in my shop for a few weeks! ;-)

    I'm bringing up some 10 frame singles from Florida in April, so then I'll be running 5,8, & 10 frame deeps. At least I only have one size frame.... except some shallows I use for comb honey.

    I tried hard to have one box and one frame, but it just doesn't seem to work that way.

  10. #30
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    This is an interesting thread. I was just about to go and purchase 15 deeps to expand my 2 hive operation and ran across this thread. NOW, I'm thinking about purchasing the 8 frame hive bodies instead of the 10 frame. Anybody else have any input on 8 vs. 10 frames?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn. Bee View Post
    Lauri: What do you use to cut that black plastic foundation with?
    Compound miter saw..I cut ten at a time. Use eye and ear protection though. Hold tight to the fence and cut slowly.
    Of course you lay your rite cell flat to cut. I just stood it on edge in the photo so you can see I cut off the corners too. After seeing how the queen will never cross a follower board, although she could easily over the top or bottom, I cut corners off my foundation to give better accessability from one frame to the next. It is necessary? Probably not, but it makes me feel better and only takes a few minutes to do a whole carton of 100.


    Since I am forcing them to build mostly worker comb with this foundation, these cut corners give them room to draw out some drone comb if they want.

    You can cut them with a razor knife and straight edge too. Just score it and snap it. You don't have to cut all the way through.

  12. #32
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    It was pretty gusty here at times, i had an 8 frame 4 deep hive broadside to the winds and no issues with it getting blown over or anything. That being said, working a 3 deep high 10 frame was slightly easier since I don't have to pull a heavy box off at eye level and it's only 2 frames difference.

  13. #33
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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    I use 8 frame jumbo brood chambers with western, medium & shallow supers. In 10 frame equipment I like 7 5/8" (western) for all boxes.

    Each size has its merits!

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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    I may even cut down my 10 frames this weekend too. One of the cedar boxes split at one of the screws anyway and needs trimmed. I wish Walter Kelly would make that nice plastic cover in an 8 frame size.

    I am going to try to make some 8 frame gabled covered this weekend too if I have time.

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    Default Re: 8 Frame vs 10 Frame? Pros and Cons..

    Here is a step by step cutting a 10 frame down to an eight frame:

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beeseightfr...m#cutdownboxes
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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