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  1. #1
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    Default Pollen Sub Improvement

    Just a very short time ago I began to experiment with Feeding Pollen Sub.
    I've learned a lot and have seen the potential for this to be a great tool.

    I've mixed a few smaller batches, experimented and have a recipe I'm happy enough with to mix a large batch and feed for the remainder of the time I add sub. I'll offer some on here once I understand where I'm at and if I have extra.

    The basic recipe is
    Brewers yeast #10
    Egg #5
    Oils. 1 pt
    Corn syrup 1 qt
    Sugar #25
    Isolate 1#
    Acids
    Vitamins
    Attractants E.O's
    Water
    Etc.

    The recipe is a combination of common recipes found on the Internet and speaking with local beekeepers.
    I cut the amounts down to give a general idea, the oil is a couple ounces more etc. Acid is lemon juice, vitamin C and citric acid I'm still waffling on lemon and the consitancy of ph it provides.

    It's high in sugar and has no soy flour to contribute to my goal of having it consumed quickly and discourage SHB.

    I'd like to continue to improve so here are some of the areas I think I need to address first

    Sterols,Lipids,cholesterol - what oils or fats I'm using a combination now. As you can see I'm leaning toward higher fat content to both ensure requirements are met as well as keeping product usable and attractive.

    Vitamins- Here in Florida my bees aren't stressed as others my be. They often have access to forage.
    I'm as concerned with giving them the wrong vitamin or too much of I'm the right ones. That said I need a good... No make that great source of vitamin A & K. I think I've got one but I'm not sure about accessibility of the nutrient so it shall remain nameless. Thoughts?

    Isolate proteins, what offers the balance to brewers yeast, eggs with attention to value?

    Minerals, I'm erroring on the side of too little for my environment I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the biology and at higher amounts may do harm.

    This study made me think that it's not about developing a Pollen Sub but maybe about developing a product that bees can easily utilize to turn into bee bread. I know it's not a huge distinction but it maybe an important one

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:...l.pone.0032962

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    Leave out the egg!
    Samonella!
    Old Guy in Alabama

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    I have found by adding dehydrated milk to Megs bee the bee like it better.

    I also have used rice bran and baker’s yeast in the mix.

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    It was implied that I would use safe ingredients.

    Dairy? Maybe Casein but its $$

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    Brewers yeast, Soy, and Inedible egg work well. Calculate the fat content of your sub...

    I have tried dry whole milk but it has only 26% protein and has 28% fat...

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    This study made me think that it's not about developing a Pollen Sub but maybe about developing a product that bees can easily utilize to turn into bee bread. I know it's not a huge distinction but it maybe an important one
    sounds to me like a huge distinction - thanks for the perspective and the article

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    Quote Originally Posted by arrowwood View Post
    sounds to me like a huge distinction - thanks for the perspective and the article
    It's a worthwhile read. Lots of info almost too much .

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    I'm just waiting on one item and I'll go ahead and mix up a batch.

    I can't say I've got my heart set on trying any separate batches.

    I did find mention of "back in he day" beekeepers adding Rum and or Tang powdered drink mix.
    I guess the modern equivalent would be Patron and Gatorade ?

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    Brewers yeast, Soy, and Inedible egg work well. Calculate the fat content of your sub...

    I have tried dry whole milk but it has only 26% protein and has 28% fat...
    Thanks
    Do you have a recommended target for fat % ? Why?
    Does anyone have a good link to a feed calculator that works well?

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    Default Re: Pollen Sub Improvement

    Quote Originally Posted by Mbeck View Post
    Thanks
    Do you have a recommended target for fat % ? Why?
    I mix mine with
    6% fat content
    20% protein


    Good pollen will have average of 20% protein and somewhere with at least 5% fat. You will also want to add some some citric acid crystals.

    Bees don't eat pollen but bee bread. That the whole point of "patties". I have tasted bee bread and my own pollen sub...both taste good.

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