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  1. #101
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    My guess is no one had a TBH. I demonstrated how they worked and the first question was how do you put in foundation. When I mentioned they work like a foundationless Lang the president felt the need to explain that as most people there didn't know that you could have a hive without foundation.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    [QUOTE=shannonswyatt;906722]My guess is no one had a TBH. I demonstrated how they worked and the first question was how do you put in foundation. When I mentioned they work like a foundationless Lang the president felt the need to explain that as most people there didn't know that you could have a hive without foundation.[/QUOTE)

    We were inspecting a hive on a blueberry orchard (unsprayed) when a beekeeping friend came by to pick berries. In her 25 years of beekeeping she had never seen a foundationless frame and was amazed that it is possible. She was very excited to see the naturally drawn comb. I have also been questioned by an extremely reknowned researcher as to how my bees draw foundationless small cell comb. To this day I don't know exactly what the researcher was trying to understand as I can't imagine they haven't seen comb in the wild. Maybe it was a small cell thing...

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere on this site, but rather than listening to skeptical suppliers who have no experience with TBHs, pick up a copy of Mangum's book: Top-bar Hive Beekeeping. I myself have only seen excerpts, but people whose opinion I trust and respect have given it good ratings. (Not to get too far OT, though.)

    That said, it is helpful at first to have some experienced around. But today one can also get a lot of help online (certainly here, I think). Maybe you can ask at your beekeeping group if there might be someone who's a got of bit of curiousity about such things that might be willing to look in on you as needed.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Second that, the only TBH book you should read.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Yes, our Intro to beekeeping class from local forest preserve is run by a renowned Lang expert starting in 1933! So he's been around a while. In over 18hrs worth of classes, he allowed a whole whopping 12 minutes for a speaker to describe TBH methods and showing the speaker's empty swarm hive. Unfortunately, the expert didn't understand how many folks were interested in this method - during break 2/3 of the class was surrounding the speaker with questions...and again after class....and the speaker was asked for his personal information from over 1/2 of those interested. Thankfully, he's a local beek teacher and is happy to share his information with all.

    Seems to me there's enough local interest to conduct classes!

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Maybe the class needs to be restructured with one full day devoted to TBH. that way those interested can attend and those not can go tend to langs? Put some hands on to their class time.
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    I went to my first BeeKeeper meeting last month in SE Wis here. Walked in an saw a beautiful cedar TBH sitting there. One of the "well seasoned" members had made it, but adapted it for supers also. They still talk about TBH's as if they were alien technology but it was nice to see I wasnt the only one trying them out.

    I was chatted up by a couple members and they offered great general bee advice and never hinted at anti-TBH sentiments

    But this is the Midwest...we are some of the nicest people you will meet!

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    I have always used langs.....haven't even seen a tbh ....I'm old but still open minded ( what's left of it :-) might try one ...tough to do a split from langs to tbh ? ...and where one puts their purchased bees is no ones elses concern....coat them with chocolate and eat them.....they are yours......mmmmm....nice venom buzz

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Quote Originally Posted by honeybeebee View Post
    I have always used langs.....haven't even seen a tbh ....I'm old but still open minded ( what's left of it :-) might try one ...tough to do a split from langs to tbh ?
    Try using a TTBH. Build it to lang size. See Michael Bush's site for more info.
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Quote Originally Posted by honeybeebee View Post
    I have always used langs.....haven't even seen a tbh ....I'm old but still open minded ( what's left of it :-) might try one ...tough to do a split from langs to tbh ? ...and where one puts their purchased bees is no ones elses concern....coat them with chocolate and eat them.....they are yours......mmmmm....nice venom buzz
    There might be more than one way to do a split from Lang to TBH. I've thought about fastening top bars to the underside of frames, letting the bees build some comb, and then transferring the bars. I've also seen video of Sam Comfort shaking bees into a package box, then putting a queen in a cage in the box, and using this home-made package to repopulate a TBH.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Some folks have done cutouts to TBHs, but pretty much everyone that has done it doesn't recommend it. Why not just a shaken split (make your own package of bees). If you go that route make sure to have a closed bottom as they may abscond otherwise. I recommend that you make your bars 19 inches by 1 3/8 and then you could put a few bars in a few hives to get them to pull out some comb for you.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Quote Originally Posted by shannonswyatt View Post
    Why not just a shaken split (make your own package of bees).
    Yes that's exactly what I do when I'm setting up TBH's for people. Far less drama than messing with cutting combs etc. I just make sure their TBH has properly set up comb guides and a sensible method for feeding (if that's needed), and the bees will have the first combs built within a day or two and be on their way to a hassle free install.

    If they are new beeks I only do local & install the bees myself to make sure it all works out.
    44 years, been commercial, outfits up to 4000 hives, now 120 hives and 200 nucs as a hobby, selling bees. T (mostly).

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Yes that's exactly what I do when I'm setting up TBH's for people.
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Very interesting and enlightening thread.

    I've never criticized anyone for TBHs. I'd really like to try one some day but for the time being they're just not utilitarian enough for me.

    What about the non-treating aspect of TBHs? Anybody get criticized for that?
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    That is a whole other thread! You don' t have to run TBH's to be criticized for that.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    we have our first TBH goin now for about 2 weeks and we love it ! i really do think its a better way to raise bees...FOR THE bees sake. but for not its not all that commercially possible YET. i think its a matter of time. one thing i am very certain about is that every one at the markets we will be selling at this season will definitely be seeing TBH;s up close and we'll be offering them for sale as well. the people in our town are soo taken aback by it. it just looks soo easy to work with they say. and i really do think it is easier to deal with for the back yarder.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Quote Originally Posted by shannonswyatt View Post
    That is a whole other thread! You don' t have to run TBH's to be criticized for that.
    With you there. No need to run off topic, just curious.
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    By the way, Sam Comfort is at the Big Bee Buzz in Tulsa this weekend. Check it out.
    Solomon Parker, Parker Farms, ParkerFarms.biz
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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Yes. The president of the local bee club dedicated a meeting to railing against tbh's, and passed out an article that was critical of them (which had some misinformation in it). I took a class offered by a local beekeeper and he said tbh's don't work, the bees die in the winter because they "can't move up." A bee supplier told me the same, said I would have to buy bees every spring.

    That was my first year, just after I made my first tbh's. Well, they made it through the winter with an about 1 1/2 week cold spell with lows around 4 F, high around 20 F, and are quite strong this spring. Lot of folks with Langs lost colonies. 'Course there are many more Langs around so that doesn't say there were proportionately more lost. Don't think anyone knows the cause for sure, though some blame the cold snap.

    I can see why the suppliers would be against tbh's, cuts into their sales of hive kits, since tbh's are easy to make yourself. The others I think may just have an aversion to anything new and different. Plus the club president has no experience with tbh's, so maybe he feels that threatens his position as the expert. All this is just bull to me. I don't care what anyone uses. Its all interesting to me, and I'm ready to cooperate with and help anyone. Why would I care what hive they use? I think its good to keep on experimenting and testing.

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    Default Re: Ever encountered hostility from other beekeepers over your TBH?

    Beekeeping beliefs are like religious beliefs, but so far there is less killing each other over them.

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