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    Default How is wax for foundation processed?

    How is the wax/foundation we purchase purified and filtered to get rid of contaminants, AFB, pesticides, etc. that would harm bees? Any insights?

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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    This could get ugly.

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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    While I cannot say for sure, and I have no data to back up what I am going to say, SO, I will just go ahead and say it, , they don't. They remove some, but not all contaminants.

    But, in defence of wax/foundation companies, I have never heard of a company that claimed that "their" foundation is "Pure".

    And yes, jmgi, we had a round about what is pure. Don't need that one again.

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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    One study that you can read about this issue is here:
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0009754
    -- Victor Hugo -- "Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education.

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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    And much like CCH Jr...I'm guessing but....my best guess is that AFB spores are killed during the wax melting process. I'm thinking that the contaminants are the main issue.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    AFB spores get encapsulated in the wax, which renders them harmless, similar to hot wax dipping... a lot of companies claim to use cappings wax, which is in the hive less time and soaks up fewer contaminents. Foundationless has its own problems, but I like it because it's cheaper =)

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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmgi View Post
    This could get ugly.
    Youbetcha!
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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    Can anyone tell me how they bleach wax? It may be great for candles.
    Thanks!
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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    There are several methods, natural and not-so-natural. The Green-power folks will want to hear about pouring the beeswax into sheets no more than 1/4" thick and leaving it out in the sun for a week or so, then re-melting all over again.

    There is also hydrogen peroxide, which is quick. Don't use too much of it, and be patient, holding the wax right at 165 degrees Fahrenheit. Some guys hold it and let it settle for several days to get really white wax, so it depends on your purpose. After peroxide treatment, I re-filter it with a multi-stage filter system. #1 is metal window screen, #2 is a commercial kitchen grease filter, #3 is a T-shirt, #4 is a micron filter bag with activated carbon and Fuller's earth. This turns black wax into wax that sells - pale yellow, getting on toward whitish. High grade wax comes clear white. There is more complex chemical magic to neutralize a lot of the peroxide, but it starts to get expensive, so go to sunlight (or high-powered sunlight lamps to speed up the sun bleaching) if you don't want traces of leftover H2O2.

    Oh, and DO NOT USE CHLORINE BLEACH. It could be done and neutralized, but effort ain't worth it.

    The main points to remember are to separate out your brightest wax, control your heat, and filter in stages with slight pressure, and use the right grade for the right purpose. Bees love dark wax, so brood foundation does not need all that effort. Honey-in-the-comb requires light, thin foundation that seems to sell best with the slightest yellow cast - Eucalyptus, Sage and Clover honeys are best out here. There is a health-freak market for local, wildflower honey-in-the-comb, but I have to explain why it is darker, and they usually buy it.

    The slumgum and clogged filters are great for starting campfires.
    Last edited by kilocharlie; 02-21-2013 at 09:52 PM.

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    Default Re: How is wax for foundation processed?

    Thanks Kilocharlie!
    I've seen some of the stuff folks (including myself) trade back to Kelley's and have always wondered how they lightened it up for foundation.
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