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    Default Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Greetings All,

    I have been rolling around the idea of building a hot wax dipping tank for my woodenware. I have read some on the subject & watched a few youtube videos of it being done. I did not notice anything said concerning demenionions, app amounts of wax to use initially, or anything about volume displacement. I want to be able to dip several items at once with plenty headroom at the top for foaming. I know Michael Bush uses this method. Any input will be appreciated.

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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    This older thread may be useful to you:
    http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...t-Dipping-Tank
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    This should help a lot.


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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    I saw that video recently and really like that you can do 3 deeps at a time.

    Does anyone know about the microcrystalline wax that is talked about in this video? How does it compare with conventional rosin, cost, and source?

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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    I found a 33 page pdf document but do not know how to attach. It is a study done in Australia a couple of years ago. If someone tells me how, or how to submit to an administrator to check to see if there are copyright issues I will be glad to forward. Sorry I cannot remember where I found it. It is very enlightening.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Mike, if you can post the original title of the PDF document, someone may be able to find it again on the net. That way we could then link to it and avoid any possible copyright issues that could arise by posting the document here in its entirety.

    If you aren't sure of the original title, choose a sequence of words from the document, and quote them here exactly as they appear in the PDF. A dozen words, on topic, in sequence is probably good enough for a search.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    I hope this is not an inappropriate place to ask my questions on wax dipping. I noticed on the older post Curtis mentioned use of a 100quart stock pot. The one he posted a link to is $270 but there are a great many aluminum ones out there for more like $70 - is there some obvious reason to not use aluminum? We are just doing 3-6 hives total so do not need anything large at all! Or if there is a better lower cost alternative I'm sure open to it!
    Also, what are your favorite sources for the rosin, microcrystalline, and wax? Any idea on quantities I would be needing for a 100 quart stock pot (as I have no pot at this moment and am ordering supplies Is the ratio still 2:1 when using rosin? Nobody commented on the microcrystalline vs. rosin - any thoughts yet?
    edited - I did look at Mann Lake for rosin, but no searches came up with anything.
    Thank you guys!

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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Wax and rosin is cheaper. Wax is cheapest at candlewic.com, you want the 140 degree melt temp stuff.
    http://www.candlewic.com/store/Produ...raffin-Wax-140

    JH Calo will ship bags of rosin, best price I could find.

    I built my tank 26lx22wx36h (inches). The bottom is 1/4 steel, sides 1/8 inch, the telescoping cover and splash guard is 1/16 inch steel.

    It took me 400lbs of wax and 55lbs of Rosin to fill it sufficiently to start.

    I have a 150,000 BTU banjou classic burner that sits in a pit with heavy fire bricks around it. I'd like to insulate it some to save propane, I tend to dip earlier in the spring, hopefully I can wait for warmer weather this year.

    I can dip 3deeps or 5 mediums, ot like 7-10 tops/bottom boards at once.

    Whatever you do don't paint the inside of the tank with heat resistant paint because I have to scrape blobs of black paint off as it flakes off the sides. Oh well live and learn..

    It cost me 1000-1200 dollars to set up.

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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    If you would like to have wax dipped hive bodies, but can't justify the expense of setting up your own wax tank, you can buy "dipped" woodenware from Country Rubes:

    http://store.countryrubes.com/hivebodies.aspx
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Or just use a weed burner and get several 1-2lb bars of wax. Slowly heat the wood, with a low setting on the weed burner, and run your bar of wax over the heated wood. The wood will soak up the wax, if heated properly. If you have the burner set correctly, you can see when the wax starts boiling as bubbles appear. I pre-heat my boxes next to my shop stove to +100F. You can obtain a nice burnt look, which helps absorb thermal mass.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Oh, as Mr. C says, don't paint the inside, (same lesson learned). The wax does just great to preserve the interior.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    If you would like to have wax dipped hive bodies, but can't justify the expense of setting up your own wax tank, you can buy "dipped" woodenware from Country Rubes:

    http://store.countryrubes.com/hivebodies.aspx
    I will second this! I only can have 5-6 hives (in-town residence) so it is cheaper to buy pre-made units rather than building a tank for me. I just finished buying another 2 bases and 20 med. boxes. The postage was far less than the tank build out and wax buy for my needs. This is scale decision driven by how many hives you have. I will vouch for the great quality from Country Rubes and if you have any issues Janet will make it right! Their boxes are made by Shastina and Country Rubes assembles/glues/dips them. Their basses are made in house.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Quote Originally Posted by beeman2009 View Post
    Mike,

    What would you say would be a good size tank & burner size as well as an app amount of wax needed to be purchased?

    Thanks
    I don't know the answer but I just received 100 lb of wax and 55 lb of rosin. I will know next month. I am thinking of building a water jacketed tank. Does anyone know if this will work?

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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Quote Originally Posted by Haraga View Post
    I am thinking of building a water jacketed tank.
    Don't you need to get the wax temps to around 300 F? Seems you'd need a stream boiler system..... $$$
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    I do mine at about 250 F. If you don't get it hot enough to boil the water in the wood, it doesn't really do what it needs to do. 212 F won't do that. It only takes about 12 to 20 pounds of pressure to get it up there, so a double jacket and a pop off valve could do it.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Does anyone know if a 55 gallon oil drum would hold up for this? Will the seams leak? Years ago I boiled a bunch of deeps and shallows in lye with one...opens your sinuses right up! Obviously it was water at 212 degrees not wax at 300 degrees.

    I really like the idea of wax dipping equipment but it makes me really nervous too. It seems to have 911 written all over it. I should mention that I'm VERY small time and might be doing 50 or so mediums. Even if I could afford a big stainless tank to do this with I don't have anywhere to store it while the oil drum is disposable. Any ideas?
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    I have heard of people using a cut off 55 gallon drum for this purpose. I have not tried it. I think it will take too much wax to fill it (wasted space) since it's round and not square.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Quote Originally Posted by AstroBee View Post
    Don't you need to get the wax temps to around 300 F? Seems you'd need a stream boiler system..... $$$
    Yes, temps 300-325 is good we just build a fire out of scrap wood underneath our tank, we will be dipping a couple thousand boxes next week I will take a few pics. This whole prosess is very simple & is much over dunn on these threads.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    I agree with KJ. I use birch and on a warmer winter day get a good fire going in my fire pit and boil away. To reduce the amount of wax, I place concrete blocks in the middle of my wax box when boiling frames, uses way less wax. I like to darken my boxes with a weed burner to help absorb winter radiance.
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    Default Re: Wax Dipping Boxes & Hive Parts

    Quote Originally Posted by 779Hybrid410 View Post
    I agree with KJ. I use birch and on a warmer winter day get a good fire going in my fire pit and boil away. To reduce the amount of wax, I place concrete blocks in the middle of my wax box when boiling frames, uses way less wax. I like to darken my boxes with a weed burner to help absorb winter radiance.
    The concrete blocks sound like a great idea!
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