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    Default Gnarly dying hive

    Guy in our bee club sent this out. Strong hive crashing. Queen gone. No obvious parasites. Remaining bees are black. Have actually changed color.
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38518075/201...%20Beehive.MOV
    Any ideas? Fungus? Mold?
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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    I really don't know for sure, but with the queen gone I would guess she died of something and the hive was unable to replace her. The cause of it would be hard to tell without doing tests on the hive. Potentially she got some pesticides, maybe mites/disease. Too many things to test from here. Sometimes its best to just say "it was a weak strain" and try again.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    i had a small swarm of mostly black bees try to take over (usurp) one of my hives last fall.

    i was able to stop them and kill the usurping queen before she got into the hive.

    if your friend had something similar happen, and if both queens got killed in the process, it would have left them queenless and now dying out.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    Guy in our bee club sent this out. Strong hive crashing. Queen gone. No obvious parasites. Remaining bees are black. Have actually changed color.
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38518075/201...%20Beehive.MOV
    Any ideas? Fungus? Mold?
    The workers often change "color" when the hive goes queenless. More shiny generally. Looks to me from the video you also have some virus issues going on. Maybe that's why they tossed the queen.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Hairless Black Syndrome is a symptom of Chronic Paralysis Virus. The bees will be dark to black in color and unable to fly,will begin to tremble, and die within a couple of days.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    I would think any weak hive in Ohio that you open this time of year will die.
    We won't even go through ours in CA right now.

    I guess the point I'm trying to make is, If in doubt don't take the hive about to check.
    Dan

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    agree with dan, especially if opening the hive doesn't lead to any meaningful action that you might take.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Have you got access to a microscope? Try looking at some bee poop for nosema spores.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    That's a tough one, I hate it that your hive is dieing, I will have to look up and research the virus that JD's Bees is referring to, I have never heard of it. Michael's suggestion to examine for Nozema is a good idea.
    Bill...in Southeast Ohio Zone 6A

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Thanks, guys, but it's not my hive. But I will be seeing it later this week. The description of Hairless Black Syndrome that I read sounds a lot like what this guy is experiencing. It's associated with N.Apis.
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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    It's associated with N.Apis.
    Nosema c. also. Sick nucs I found positive last spring looked like that.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Just over 1/2 way through the video--what's on the bottom board? Please don't tell me that's an Apistan strip.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Quote Originally Posted by DCurran View Post
    Just over 1/2 way through the video--what's on the bottom board? Please don't tell me that's an Apistan strip.
    Curiosity is killing this cat. Where did you see a strip in that hive? Time for new glasses I guess.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Hive was untreated. Bees sent off to Beltsville.
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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    So sad, cg. Do keep us posted please.
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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Please give update when results come back. Was there moisture on the inter cover bees appear wet.

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    Default Re: Gnarly dying hive

    Sounds like Hairless Black Syndrome to me:
    http://bellacoolabees.blogspot.com/2...-syndrome.html

    Good luck!

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