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  1. #1
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    Jan 2011
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    Default Spring Expansion Help

    So I have been thinking about what I want to do in the spring. Here are my goals for hive count in the fall: three to four warre hives, six langs, and three to four nucs. At this point in the year I have two healthy langs and one warre. The langs are in eight frame equipment and with two deeps and one med. My warre had four boxes and I have two drawn boxes in the garage. I don't really have any extra Lang combs right now, but my tbhs have all sucked in the two years I have had them. They are both dead right now. I fully plan on cutting the comb off of the top bar and strapping them to empty Lang frames. This should give them a head start.

    Part of my plan includes buying packages in the spring. I have enough cash saved up for four packages. I will put three packages into langs and the other in the two drawn warre boxes. So that brings me to five langs and two warres. At this point I need one full Lang, all of my nucs, and one or two warres.

    So I will need to get the rest out of splits. Once my packages have fully filled out a deep I plan on starting to split and correct me if my timing is off. I plan on taking three brood combs out of one of my langs and placing it above an excluder in my other (both of these are my overwintered hives) Lang in order to populate it.

    Question- Do I ensure that all bees are off the combs or just tap them so that flyers come off?

    The next day remove brood combs and place in deep with a pollen/honey comb. I would also like to rear queens, but I suspect this split won't be strong enough. So my plan is to remove the queen from a package and place it in the new split.

    Next question- How do you get attendants into the queen cage for intro?

    Then graft with the queenless hive. Come back later to pinch off any unwanted queen cells.

    Now I don't want to ruin the honey production of my overwintered hives. So I don't plan on really splitting them really hard, but I don't know what is a reasonable number. I don't know if I should just leave it at one split from these hives until after the main flow or split twice.

    After the queen cells are ready to harvest I plan on splitting my warres until I get my goal. I will also try to make my nucs. I guess I will have to see how my packages and wintered gives look. Maybe I just take onw brood comb from each to make three nucs or some other variation.

    That should get me close to my goal if all goes well. What does everybody think of that? Anything that could be done differently that would improve my plan?
    Not Michael Bush. My name is Dan. Sorry for the confusion.

  2. #2
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    Rock Port, MO. USA.
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    Default Re: Spring Expansion Help

    You might want to check out the Cloake board method for raising queens from your Langs. http://www.honeybeesuite.com/using-t...-raise-queens/

    I'm planning on using the double screen board to split my Warre hive this Spring. That is, if my bees survive the winter.

  3. #3
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    Hartford, CT
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    Default Re: Spring Expansion Help

    I'm in a similar situation. I have 2 healthy ( I think) Lang Hives, it's been to snowy and cold to go opening the boxes but I do have a few dead bees outside. My plan it to break each Hive into 2-3 nucs after they've been feeding for a few weeks. This should give me up to 6 nucs before May? I'm also planning on buying other Northern Queens to help add genetics to the apiary. The packages you buy will be Southern Queens which I don't think are worth the money it they'll live up north.

    Personally I would try splitting the 3 you'll have, buy Queens and save your package money to buy nucs from Mann Lake @ $23.50 and other Northern Queens from surrounding areas.

    You should be able to get 9-12 strong hives plus new nucs going into winter for 2013.

  4. #4
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    Default Re: Spring Expansion Help

    I don't believe Mann lake sells nucs. I would just buy queens and split the crap out of my hives, but I want some honey this year. So I am trying to split them but not so much that I kill their production.
    Not Michael Bush. My name is Dan. Sorry for the confusion.

  5. #5
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    Default Re: Spring Expansion Help

    Not full of bees but they sell nuc boxes.

  6. #6
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    Default Re: Spring Expansion Help

    I've got plenty of hardware. I just need bees.

    What about some of my original questions? Any insight with those?

    Question- Do I ensure that all bees are off the combs or just tap them so that flyers come off?
    Next question- How do you get attendants into the queen cage for intro?
    I think I had more embedded into the op, but these were highlighted. Thanks in advance.
    Not Michael Bush. My name is Dan. Sorry for the confusion.

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