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  1. #41
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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    FP…my oa crystals dissolved just fine in the sugar syrup…no alcohol needed. And I’d think getting the mixture right would be important no matter how you planned to apply it.
    This is surely one downside. Another is the need for extra hardware. And last but surely not least, if you have a couple of dozen (or more) beeyards making one trip to each is a lot simpler and less labor intensive than making three.

    As in many things beekeeping…..there is no one size fits all.
    I’m glad you like the fogging….for me the one time dribble looks good.
    beemandan
    You mix the OA right in your sugar water, that’s saves you several steps. How much per gallon? How much sugar water per hive? How much per space between frames? Do you break the boxes apart?

    You do need more equipment, a scales to measure grams, a vaporizer, which can be a manufactured on from Canada or a homemade pipe and torch. And a respirator is recommended.

    You do not need to treat more if you vaporize. OA only kills phoretic mites weather it's vapor or dribble makes no difference and I believe both treatment methods are at 93%+ mite kill rate. You don’t need to make extra trip to the bee yards. Unless you are treating when there is brood with which ever OA method you used.

    Could treat your hives in less than half the time it would take if to use dribble method? And there is less prep time as well. Watch the video, can you do it quicker, remember he is going slow to make the video. I will let you decide
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpktnn9lZU4



    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    I'd bet the acid would wreck the fogger after the 1st use.
    +1

  2. #42
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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    Yes
    beemandan how can you use oa in a fooger?
    Say hello to the bad guy!
    year five==== 32 hives==== T{OAV}

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    Unless you have 100's of colonies to treat gallons are not nessessary in fact any solution you mix has to be used or dumped. It doesn't keep for long. As for how much I measure with a triple beam scale in grams so no one is going to give you a recipe like one tablespoon to whatever. To apply you need a syringe. 5CC will work fine. A cc and a ml are the same. You apply 5 cc's or ml per seam for total of 50ml.for a double deep. You just need to count out 10 shots of 5. I do not break the doubles apart. This causes to much disruption at the time I do this which is Nov in michigan.

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Could treat your hives in less than half the time it would take if to use dribble method? And there is less prep time as well. Watch the video, can you do it quicker, remember he is going slow to make the video. I will let you decide
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpktnn9lZU4
    Take roof off. Take crown board off (if used). Dribble OA -not actually necessary to split boxes. Put crown board back on. Replace roof. Move to next colony.

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    danno, right after they finish brooding the winter bees? double deeps?
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    yes they are broodless

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    good plan, thanks.
    journaling the growth of a treatment free apiary started in 2010. 20+/- hives

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    I am not sure that cyclone is the proper name. It has a propane torch that heats up a metal bowl from underneath.Then a 12 volt car blower motor moves air across this bowl as you put the liquid in. It was sold by a supply company for a year or two. I cant find out much about it online.

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    I think the "cyclone" you are talking about was not for oxalic but instead acetic acid or 25%vinegar. They sold a propain model and a 110volt model. I think the company was out of Iowa. They disapeared 6 or 7 years ago. Never caught on or didn't work

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Danno, Your so right. I am sorry. It was acetic and not oxalic. Did seem to work well. Sorry all to have stuck my foot in my mouth so early in my forum chatting.

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    Unless you have 100's of colonies to treat gallons are not nessessary in fact any solution you mix has to be used or dumped. It doesn't keep for long. As for how much I measure with a triple beam scale in grams so no one is going to give you a recipe like one tablespoon to whatever. To apply you need a syringe. 5CC will work fine. A cc and a ml are the same. You apply 5 cc's or ml per seam for total of 50ml.for a double deep. You just need to count out 10 shots of 5. I do not break the doubles apart. This causes to much disruption at the time I do this which is Nov in michigan.
    danno at most feed stores you can get 30cc syringes for about $1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer Jim View Post
    danno at most feed stores you can get 30cc syringes for about $1
    A pack of two 60cc...for 3.29 at Tractor Supply...refill once per hive.
    http://www.tractorsupply.com/produce...k-of-2-1019805
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    I use a spray bottle! I initially purchased a syringe to measure the number of times I had to pull the triger on a given spray bottle until I reached 5 ml. I prefer to pull the frame and spray each side. I will likely play around with a garden sprayer next time.

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Tony: I wouldn't feel like you need to actually spray each bee. Think of it more as treating a cluster of bees as if the cluster itself is a living thing and do so at the recommended dosages. The bees readily distribute the oxalic through grooming behavior.
    "People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe."- Andy Rooney

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Jim, you make a great point. I hadn't thought of that. This year was my first bad experiance with mites. I had looked for them, but had not test for them and sadly when my hives were at their strongest, the mite population was as well. When the nectar flow stopped, and the queens stopped laying as many eggs in September, my hives went from strong to near devistation. The only way I saved the 22 out of 34 I had was by breaking them down into 4 frame nucs, and blancing hives. Perhaps it was overkill to spray the bees. I was in emergency mode :-) Thankfully the 22 I have remaining seem to be doing well. I am keeping them between 35-45 degrees with a thermocube and I saved all the comb from the big hives so I think they will take off well. Last year will be the last year that I will go without treating for mites and checking on a regular basis.

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    A pack of two 60cc...for 3.29 at Tractor Supply...refill once per hive.
    http://www.tractorsupply.com/produce...k-of-2-1019805
    I actually use a 50ml meat pump. I like the needle on it. it doesn't have a hole in the end but instead 4 holes in the sides. Its very strong and twice as long as a syringe
    Last edited by danno; 01-11-2013 at 05:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    I actually use a 50ml meat meat pump.
    My friend uses a small hand pump garden sprayer....holds about 2 gallons...I think. He looked at the syringes but decided that it would be a nuisance to keep refilling one.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Quote Originally Posted by danno View Post
    You apply 5 cc's or ml per seam for total of 50ml.for a double deep. You just need to count out 10 shots of 5. I do not break the doubles apart. This causes to much disruption at the time I do this which is Nov in michigan.
    Hi Danno, I never registered this quote previously. Just wondering, are you applying 50ml per hive irrespective of how many seams of bees there are rather than the usual European method of 5ml per seam up to a maximum of 50ml per colony?

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolande View Post
    Hi Danno, I never registered this quote previously. Just wondering, are you applying 50ml per hive irrespective of how many seams of bees there are rather than the usual European method of 5ml per seam up to a maximum of 50ml per colony?
    I do 5ml per seam. The bee's will go through cleaning it up and spreading it around

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    Default Re: oxalic acid dribble

    I was just thinking that someone reading your post who's not used the method previously could assume that there was a standard dose of 50ml per colony irrespective of how many seams of bees they had rather than a maximum recommended dose of 50ml. But I assume that you're applying across the box irrespective of where the cluster is centred. Always interesting to learn how other people are working.

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